Luis,
If it is a bare block look for tapped bosses in the center of the lifter valley where the roller lifter "spider" bolts on. Crappy photo but the circle shows one of the bolts...

Off topic; you may not remember but our mutual buddy Doug Huey introduced us at the Spring Fling in Ohio a few years ago!

Jeff

 

Luis,
If it is a bare block look for tapped bosses in the center of the lifter valley where the roller lifter "spider" bolts on. Crappy photo but the circle shows one of the bolts...

Snipped..

Off topic; you may not remember but our mutual buddy Doug Huey introduced us at the Spring Fling in Ohio a few years ago!
Jeff

Jeff, Couldn't you have shown an after picture?

Now everyone is going to think you put that in your roadster..:yes:

Anyway here is an after picture on behalf of Jeff..

 

Jeff

what a great memory you have. That was years and years ago.
Thanks for the quick response. Is this the only way to tell? Any others that I should watch out for?

Thanks

LuisL
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what a great memory you have.

Well to be honest what I remember most was the "friend" you had with you
Actually thinking back, I think we first met when I came down to spend a few days with John P. working on his "Phoenix" car after his first one burned. Good bunch of Cobra guys in south Florida...

Jeff

 

The lifter bosses aren't as tall on a roller block, either. They are shaved down, to accomodate the "dog bones", or lifter retainers.

Greg

 

This is a long block, no intake, no oil pan.

Thanks
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Not to hi jack, but on a similar thought....Can you use a cam from a non-roller in a roller block? Please someone, I really don't know.

Bob

 

Why would you want to?

Roller is the way to go for performance.

Don't know if the camshaft bearing journals are the same but the roller lifter are longer.

The lobes on a flat tappet cam are designed (ie. have a silght tilt) to help the lifters rotate in the bores. This is to minimize wear on the lobe/lifter contact point.

The lobes on a roller cam are "flat" (parallel to the axis of the cam) on top. This is to provide a place for the rollers of the lifters to ride.

So, you can't mix roller cams with flat tappet lifters and you can't use a flat tappet cam with roller lifters.

Where would you get flat tappet lifters that are "tall enough" to make up the difference of the lifter heights?

Cheers
Keith

 

1996 351w is a roller block
they went to roller in 94, some early 94 may be non-roller most are a roller.
1995 all are to 1997:wave:too bad my 93 ain't but life goes on:wacko:

 

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Jeff, you have a part # for the valve covers? I like!

 

Rich,

TFS-51411801
http://www.trickflow.com/partdetail.asp?part=TFS-51411801

TFS-51400801
http://www.trickflow.com/partdetail.asp?part=TFS-51400801

The black ones are sweet as well.

 

Jeff

I like those wheels.... more info on these please.

Thanks

LuisL

 

The reason I'm asking is I got a Comp Cam from a vendor as far as I can tell, it's not for a roller motor. I had someone check the part number and tell me it won't work in my motor.

Bob

 

Luis,
We've totally hijacked your original thread haven't we? The wheels are from O-E-Wheels an e-bay stores seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fits-Mustang-Cobra-r-wheels-deep-dish-17-x-9-10-5_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem58857ab240QQitemZ380196532800QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
This one has been available with silver, dark gray and black centers as well as full chrome. After you get into their site choose "Mustang wheels" then "5 lug '94-'04" from the Store Categories box on the left. Not all of them are listed all of the time (I think they get them produced in lots) but if you call them they can let you know if the exact style you want is in stock or when it will be. You can call them to order rather than buying through the e-bay listings---I did. They run true, balanced without any issues, and the finish still looks good after almost 3 years. Only bad thing I've heard is that you should pay the few extra bucks for shipping insurance---3 or 4 years ago one of the guys on here had some damage in transit and since he did not opt for the insurance neither O-E or the shipper would take responsibility.

RE: valve covers. Yep, those are the ones! You would probably get the best pricing through Summit. I used the Trick Flow top end (heads, intake, cam, roller rockers, etc.) and they were included. Be aware that they don't have any provisions in the top for oil fill, pcv or breathers. I used a hole saw and put in a grommet for the oil fill tube (also from TFS). I also made a small baffle and installed it to deflect oil mist and splash off the rockers from making its way up the filler where it could be drawn into the throttle body thru the breather tube.

Now, was someone saying something about a identifying a roller block...

Jeff

 

I will have the standard length IRS. Will these fit?

Since this thread was kinda hijacked..... I might as well get it back somehow...

Thanks

 

Sorry Luis! We do pride ourselves in filling your head full of ideas..

PS. The casting info is on the side of the crankcase in the area where if the starter were installed, it would kinda cover it.

I know if I did it all again, I would go 351W with the TrickFlow package Jeff speaks about.

But I would use the Stage2(Advertised Duration 292/ 290, Lift .542/.563) cam instead of the Stage1 cam (Advertised Duration 283/ 291, Lift .499/.510)

 

the casting number on my 1996 351w Roller block is: F4 E-6015-AA-11

If yours has that, it's definitely a roller. (Mine came out of a 1996 f series pickup)

 

Luis,
Using 315s they fit well using a Fox width solid rear... a little "shine" on the rear cockpit corner aluminum under full compression but no problems with body or chassis. Since standard IRS is Fox width you should be golden!

Cheers,
Jeff

 

Jeff

Not sure if its a fox width rear end. aren't the fox cars, 87-93 4 lug rears shorter than the 94 and up rears? I thought that the 94 and up rear ends were the same width as the standard length IRS set ups.... I'm a little confused....


on another note..... I got my long block and it is a roller. It looks just like the picture below. Thanks for that one. it does not have F4TE casting numbers.... is this a problem? Thanks

LuisL

 

Hey Luis,
yes the Fox rear is narrower than the '94-'96ish SN95 rear by about 1 1/2".
I've always been under the impression that standard IRS (not the pin drive) was the narrower Fox width but am not 100% certain...

Out of curiousity I threw the question to the main roadster forum; lets see what we get...

http://www.ffcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238154

Later,
Jeff