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#1 ·
At this point I am in the planning stage and am looking at engine options. I really like the Levy stage 4 engine. I have played the u-tube videos of various engine starts and the sound of Gordon's engines gives me goose bumps. I have high hopes (and I'm cheap) of doing most of the work myself including body and paint. I may be crazy but I want to put as much of myself into this as possible. I am a 25 year journeyman machinist so I should be capable of building an engine myself although I have never done so. What I guess I am looking for is a "recipe" so to speak of parts to use to get me a good reliable 400-450 HP. I don't need a high revver as I think torque is more important day to day and how much time do you actually spend at redline. Hmmmm maybe a big block but hinking of a 347. Any suggestions? Gordon?

Thanks in advance.
 
#2 ·
If you want enjoyable performance the small block is the way to go. The stage 4 is a rock and roll small block that can be driven every day. 0-60 performance is definately well under 4 seconds with a good chassis.
Give me a call at 520-494-2745 and we can talk at length.
 
#5 ·
One of these days he will actually put the mufflers in the sidepipes.

Alex, when are you going to open the secondaries?
 
#10 ·
$1000 says those mufflers will never see the inside of the pipes within the next decade. C'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, you know you want to take that bet :evil:

One of these days I'll probably screw up the courage to really hammer it; problem is the 1st 3 gears are probably beyond useless at wot, and there always seems to be a cop around on the highway, lol
 
#6 ·
I have one of Gordon's Stage V 408w. Sounds and runs great. Really a joy every time I turn the key.
 
#9 ·
The two hardest parts of building an engine are picking the components and the machine work. The actual assembly is pretty easy. I'm sure Levy builds great engines, but if you're a machinist, why not do it yourself?

Pete
 
#11 ·
That is my point, I want to build one myself but do not have enough experience to be confident I am choosing the right cam, carb, heads etc. I'm looking for product and part numbers. I would LOVE one of Gordon's and may end up going that route but I was hoping tp put something together myself that I could say " ya, I built it" I have looked at the "kits" from Edelbrock, anyone ever put one of those together and how happy are you with the results?

Gordon, Thanks for the response, I may give you a call when I get closer to reality.

Thanks!
 
#13 ·
I built my own. 351, .030 over, balanced, Edelbrock RPM heads, cam & intake. Holley 770 SA carb. Puts out well over 400 HP and TQ. Building motors is not rocket science. There is no magic involved. Do it yourself and you'll be very happy.

Jim
 
#12 ·
I picked most of the components for my engine myself and had a local engine builder help me with dealing with the machine shop and with the assembly. I got a lot of good advise from this forum, the Corral (Mustang forum), and from the parts vendors. Next time I'm doing all but the machine work myself.
 
#14 ·
have a wack at it!

This may be just me but half the fun of building the thing (motor or whatever it is) is the learning. I say read everything you can get your hands on and take notes a plenty! Not only will you learn a lot, you can honestly say you understand what goes on under the hood. Ask questions, listen well, build your own and your face will hurt from smiling. But, if you are in a rush buy from Gordon :)
b-

PS Gordon, no offense I hope. From what I read (and hear) your engines ROCK!
b-
 
#16 ·
Everyone, thanks for all the advice. I was contemplating building a mod motor but after seeing the engine in akdreamer's recent graduation pics I was hooked on the cleanliness and simplicity of old school plus a 302 is not as intimidating for a beginner. Hey if I'm not happy with the motor I can always build another while I drive my car.

Love the forum!
 
#17 ·
Another happy Levy customer here!! Gordon will steer you right. I have a Levy 5.5 in a Backdraft race car, no complaints. The car has been down for the last six months with other issues, but should be up and running by mid July.
Give this a lot of thought, do your research, and enjoy every minute.
Cheers,
Richard
 
#20 ·
Interesting formula I realized watching that video. When comparing to my stock engine and FFR sidepipes....the Levy Engine / pipe combo has 2 times the power and 4 times the decibles!

I was suprised after all the talk of noise problems that my combo is really very quiet.
 
#21 ·
The thing I want everyone to remember is Alex is not running mufflers in the pipes, even though he has them. He is running them open. These pipes with the mufflers installed is quite respectable when it comes to the noise. They are still a little on the loud side but you can't really make 600+hp with attractive sidepipes quiet.
 
#22 ·
IMHO the best money you can spend on your build is add $$ and let an experienced engine builder do this for you. You may know the basics of how it works and order all kinds of stuff to "build you own" but the tools and expertise to do this correctly will cost you more $$. These guys know all the "details" about what fits what. If you want an engine building education go to your local speed/ machine shop and help them put one together. If you must do you own get at least a short block and pick cam/heads/intake you want to use.
HTH
CB
 
#24 ·
Thanks, that is probably a good option for me and one I am considering but I really would like to build one myself for the experience. I local community college or such is an option I haven't considered...hmmmm
 
#25 ·
My engine has been in "development" for years now. I think it's on it's 6th or 7th configuration right now. And, this not my first engine build, either (my first was a 429 in 1976). But this is the first car I'v ever used for more than just fun cruising. So, even though I'm not an expert like Gordon or Mike, I'v managed to learn a few things about high performance engines. This development program has been a real eye opener for me; a real educational experiance.

First off, try and decide exactly what you want to do with the car. Fun street cruising, drag strip, autocross, road course, etc. Or maybe a combination of them. Or maybe it's primarily a show car, and has to look impressive under the hood. If you build toward that goal, you'll save money and time.

The first 400hp is pretty easy, and relativly inexpensive. You can get there with basic bolt together parts from the Summit catalog. When you get over 500, and closer to 600, it gets more expensive and more difficult. And you'll need to get specialized parts from people like Gordon. But try to decide the power point now; you'll save a lot of money and time later on.

Road racing/open track time can really put a strain on an engine. 6,000 rpm's lap after lap, week end after week end, puts quite a load on parts. I believe in overbuilding for strength - start with a Dart sportsman block and forged rotating assembly. Yes, it's stronger than it needs to be, more expensive than lesser parts, and a little bit heavier. But it will never break, and that saves a bucket load of money. Not to mention work and lost driving time. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.

The real trick is selecting a package. And it has to be a whole package so everything works together, and most efficiently. You can't match giant heads to a moderate cam and small carb.

Building your own engine is fun. I like doing it. It gives a real sense of accomplishment, and you really learn stuff. It's not rocket science. All you need is a couple of relativly inexpensive specialized tools, a good book, extremly carefull attention to detail, and lots of patience. Pretty much what you need to build the rest of you car.

I'v used a company called Performance Automotive Warehouse (PAW) many times. They sell unassembled engines in kits. Their prices are quite good, and I've never had any troubles with the parts I'v used. It's like building a whole car. You can start with an old Mustang. Then you have to take everything apart, clean and refurbish all the parts, put up with surprises and additional expenses, then finaklly put it all together. Or you can buy a kit with all the right parts and ready to bolt together. Pick your poison.

But, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
 
#28 ·
Building your own engine is fun. I like doing it. It gives a real sense of accomplishment, and you really learn stuff. It's not rocket science. All you need is a couple of relativly inexpensive specialized tools, a good book, extremly carefull attention to detail, and lots of patience. Pretty much what you need to build the rest of you car.
I don't think I'd ever have the balls to try to build an engine - I tend to like to use expensive parts, and make lots of mistakes; I just couldn't imagine the sick feeling i'd get if I put it all together and ...................... boom :(
 
#26 ·
Now we know what started the Calgary Stampede. It was Alex's open sidepipes!


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#27 ·
Have you seen this thread:
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120245

Lots o' good recipes!

I can tell you from experience that engine builders and body men EARN every cent. If I would have just spent a little extra money and gone with Levy, Craft, or a Five Star Ford Crate engine I would have been money ahead and been driving for months. Instead, I played it cheep, and have paid the price. Yes, building a motor is not rocket science, but it is an art. Some people are artists. I found out I am not. So be it.

If you want a Levy engine, freekn' buy one. No use going through all the hoops to buy your dream car, and not have a dream engine under the hood.

A reliable 400 HP in a light weight car is a very good thing.

All I can offer is personal experience. Let a pro build your engine. I will bet that if you buy a Levy stage 3 you will have a lot of fun. Then, when you want to tinker with an engine (after a summer of DRIVING your car not BUILDING it) you can embark on the journey of turning it into a stage 4 yourself. Hell, I will bet that Levy would sell you the parts needed to go from a stage 3 to 4. Best of both worlds.

I would still recommend just buying a stage 4. 450 HP all day would be very nice.
A buddy of mine took me for a ride in his MK II with a 347 and 3.55s. Mother o' mercy that thing flew! Not too many cars south of 100K could keep up. And none of them would sound as cool doing it.

Make sure to post up some pics of your engine when you drop it in. We love pics.

My 2.
-Mike
 
#29 ·
THe problem with building your own engine is you CANT make mistakes. The engine will fail and all the money is down the drain. I would not build the engine yourself unless its a cruiser. If you want to run at the track, you need a professional built engine, with the right parts to keep it together.
Ive blown up/worn out 3 engines so far, now Gordon is fixing my professional built P-F-S engine so it will finally stay together and I can get back on the track. Thats proves not every company is up to the task of building a track engine.
Alex, post a stinkin video of you punching it. Im not sure if my cobra can go that slow! At least leave some black marks in the first 3 gears! Looks like you have a feather on the gas pedal. And put the mufflers on, sounds much better.
Its nearly impossible to have a 600+hp engine that is quiet, more power more noise. DId you ever take a look at the mufflers on a AMG SL55, they are enormous.