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News from Factory Five, RE: Shelby

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#1 ·
This past December, Factory Five was served with a lawsuit from Carroll Shelby. The claims in the suit focus primarily over the shape or the “trade-dress” of the Type 65 Coupe. We were a bit amazed at this lawsuit as Shelby agreed to a court order that specifically precluded him from doing just this. Indeed. in February, 2001, FFR and Shelby mutually agreed to the entry of a Consent Judgment (“Order”) in the litigation brought by Shelby in the United States District Court, District of Massachusetts whereby, among other things, Factory Five agreed not to use the word “Cobra” to describe our products. Factory Five agreed to this since it was not using these marks anyway and, for obvious reasons, it wanted to avoid any association whatsoever with Shelby. In return, Shelby agreed to forever dismiss any claims relative to the shape of the Factory Five Roadster and Type 65 Coupe and other designs. The exact words of the 2001 Order are as follows…

”… Shelby dismisses with prejudice all claims that have been asserted or could have been asserted relative to the trade dress or designs of FFR’s kits, including but not limited to the kits known as the 427 Roadster and the Type 65 Coupe…”

Further, if Shelby believed that FFR was in violation of any part of the Order; for instance one of our guys inadvertently wrote an advertisement using the word COBRA, the Order required Shelby to give FFR 30 days notice to remedy any purported breach. In sum, pursuant to the Order, Shelby is precluded from filing a lawsuit without the agreed to notice and opportunity to cure. FFR required that this language be included in the Order because we knew Shelby was litigious to the extreme and we also knew that the entire planet, all the customers, and the industry in general, refers to these cars as “Cobras” in a purely generic sense and the risk that someone might make a mistake was real. To this day, I believe that FFR is among the one or two companies/entities/people that consistently identifies our products as our own rather than “Cobras”.

Even worse, not only did Shelby violate the Order in filing the lawsuit, he sued over the shape of a car that had already been litigated and dismissed eight years ago. What do we do now? We have filed a motion seeking to have the California Court to change the venue to Federal Court in Massachusetts which endorsed and entered the Order in 2001. If that is allowed, we will then seek to have the lawsuit dismissed as well as damages and/or sanctions for malicious prosecution and contempt of court.

All this is just a big waste of time and money for FFR. The fact that the website FFCARS was named along with the good guys at LK Motorsports is, in my opinion, harassment. FFR removed our link to FFCars, not because it was a violation of the Order or because we had to, but instead to mitigate the litigation costs, particularly where Shelby is claiming that FFCARS is an agent of FFR. Nothing could be further from the truth. FFR is just fine financially and is not asking any customers for legal defense money. The issues involving the claims against FFCars and LK Motorsports are another thing. Bill runs FFCars and since we have cancelled our ads with them, I think customers banding together to defend their own rights is a good thing.

Some other things to consider. We hear that Shelby is suing Kirkham for counterfeiting after using them as a supplier for years (you didn’t think that Shelby built those aluminum body cars did you?). Shelby makes claims against a website that is customer based and doesn’t sell or make “Cobras”. Why didn’t he sue Club Cobra or any of the myriad of websites that use the word “Cobra”. Why is Shelby suing us? Who knows. Some people familiar with this suit believe that Shelby saw our Land Speed Record Coupe across from his booth at the November SEMA show and got mad, simple as that. The original Coupe went 186 mph or so, yet FFR’s went 216 mph and next year the crew at SoFast Racing say that 250-275 mph is not out of the question at Bonneville. Anyone from Shelby is welcome to join us on the salt or on any track in the country where we prefer to settle our differences rather than in court.

Unfortunately, the memory of what Shelby did in the 60’s is rapidly being replaced with the image of the most litigious guy in the auto industry. Even Car & Driver Magazine recently type-cast as Carroll as “$helby” (notice the dollar sign) in an article that sadly chronicled his never-ending legal nonsense. Some familiar?
In the end, FFR knows that it has done the right thing and fully believes that it will prevail in this most frivolous action. Stay tuned. *Sigh*

David Smith
President
 
#3 · (Edited)
Thanks for the update Dave.
I was there at SEMA standing next to you in that exact moment when you sensed something about the Coupe parked across from Shelby. The Coupe was a great success.

BTW, I think this post should get closed so we are not taken advantage of.

-Kouros
 
#5 ·
Thanks for the update. Let us know if there is anything we ca do to help.
 
#6 ·
As a lawyer, I am ashamed that any lawyer would file the second suit in light of the resolution of the first suit. Shelby's lawyers should be reported to the California bar for filing such a blatantly frivolous suit and for engaging in unethical behavior. We (lawyers) aren't all bad... it is the ones like this that make us all look bad.

Good luck and keep us posted (to the extent that you can).

-Jon A.
 
#8 ·
Hello Dave, thank you for the clarification.

About 5-6 years ago I spent considerable time time trying to decide from who we would buy my dream project (I visited three companies in the US and 2 in Canada (I am North of the border) and obviously decided on FFR. One of the big factors that led me to FFR was this actual site as I had not done a complete build like this before.

I apologize for asking this question, however I am not sure why FFR has cancelled support of this forum?

Jim
 
#10 ·
Thanks Dave , FFR has my support and we hope to have you back soon as an supporting advertiser.

Good Luck
Danny
 
#11 ·
I can't understand what the old man is trying to do?

I have an interest in purchasing Shelby merchandise only because I own a FFR Roadster. If I did not have one I would not have purchased the Tool kit from Restoration Hardware or the Cast metal Shelby Toy Cars. I was even thinking about getting my glovebox door signed (NOT).

Now that this suit has been filed I will NEVER purchase a Shelby licensed product again. It's unfortunate :(

Doug
 
#13 · (Edited)
This really sucks. A LOT of money is being wasted over nothing.

Shelby really should focus on his own businesses. I recieved his fancy Shelby Cobra merchandise catalog a month or so before Christmas. Since I have enough neck ties.. I circled 2 cobra T-shirts and a Cobra stool for my shop, and gave it to my 9 yr old daughter. I said, "Lauren this is what daddy wants for Christmas!".
I opened the gift box on Christmas, 2 size small cobra T-shirts (I'm a 180 pound male) and a cobra stool from finishline or some other cobra product company. My wife said the guy at shelby merchandise said they dont know when they will have any of the stools in-stock.

Completely blew that order and lost biz from inventory problems. Im never ordering anything from him again.

Good luck,
Trevor
 
#15 ·
Guys, we're starting to throw in some negative things about CS. Bill asked us stay away from that. I'm gonna lock this down and sticky it.

d



 
#19 ·
something similar

thank you sir for the update i will see you in April
similar the generic name, i wonder if he played with trains that had names of railroads on them, that the toy train manufacturer used forever without any hassle now the railroads want a piece of the pie after so many years! a shame
that things go to this,, is a band-aid a bandage or is it a band-aid?
is a crayon a crayola or a waxed colored coloring instrument ?
is a shelby a ford mustang or is it a shelby?
i always thought a cobra was a snAke, a very venomous one!:yes:
L
 
#20 · (Edited)
check out the guy (duckstu) on this forum: http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123956

I tried to join that forum just to respond to his post, but it wouldn't allow me in the server. Nobody has called him on it yet.

Here's his quote, if this dont pi$$ you off nothing will:
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Well,..factory five called it a "Cobra",..(which it's not), and "Cobra" is a licensed name to Carroll. If a company wants to produce a car that looks like a Cobra and is called a Cobra,,.they need to get Carrolls' permission. Duh!

FF also apparently states in their advertising "continuing the legacy of" which is false, and implies it is related to Carroll and the cars he built years ago.

They also coppy his logos etc.

This harms Carroll and reduces the value of his licensing agreements with other companies. He does license his name and logos to replicas that are well-done coppies of the origional car, (such as my friends' Superformance Cobra).

The Superformance cars have chassis like the orrigional and are the most well done and failthfull coppies around generally. So Shelby licenses the Cobra name to them.

The FF guys with their cars that have differing chassis design all-together,..and are junky looking in person usually. That dammages the Shelby Cobra mystique and it as a brand. If they can use the names for free,...why should Superformance or any other company pay for their use?

I hope Carroll wins. Stealing is stealing. Whether it's intelectual property or real. People and companies spend many millions and many years to build up the value of a brand name and immage. And some other businessmen can just jump on that for a free ride? Use the name and logos to make money without asking or chipping in on the years of expense to build the brans name and immage?

Factory Five should call it a snake,..or something else. Make their own logo that doesn;t look like Shelbys'.

My friend Gregs' Superformance Cobra. Liscenced by, approved by and signed by Carroll Shelby. Engine is a Rouch Rcacing 427R, 1,000 CFM Pro-Carbs carb. Weighs 2.350 lbs.
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Everything he says is completely wrong. Someone should post a Pic of Garage Freak's Roadster...and this suite aint even about the roadster it's about the coupe.
 
#21 ·
Sounds to me like it's time to quit trying to be like the other guy and be proud of the product we have. It's better designed, stronger, faster, and better built. Let's all put FFR emblems on them and promote them as one brand for what they really are. My is still being built but I had planned all along to use the FFR emblems and promote FFR. Then someday we may be see a bunch of FFR wannabes.
 
#22 ·
#25 · (Edited)
Lex,
You're my hero!!! I just read your response and laughed my A$$ off. I may still join, I want to post some pics of some professionally built FFRs for that bonehead. I've said this many times to new members: The SPF is a good car, probably nicer (note I didn't say better built) than an FFR built by an amateur, however a professionally built FFR blows away the SPF every time. The only replica I would choose over a pro-built FFR would be a Kirkham.
Russ
 
#23 ·
Scalded Dog- PM Sent-

I think they have to activate the new membershipbefore you can post.
 
#24 ·
They just sent me an email and an activation link. Took about 2 minutes.
 
#27 ·
Lex, you did great until you threw the ps at him.

dont know? should that have been doesn't know?
chaisis?


Sorry man, but the rest was great
 
#26 ·
Ac ?

Unlike Enzo this racer did not design the car only put in the V8. Trademarked the name. Legally great but morally not so impressive. Best of luck guys and keep it all going
Michael
 
#28 ·
Go Hard, I fixed it! I didnt have my glasses on.