You had me at PBR. Good luck. We like build threads.

Krusty

 

Here is my current engine build list. Interested in feedback/thoughts & alternatives.

Edelbrock Rollin' Thunder #2281 Camshaft Hydraulic Roller Kit
$1,300

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-22815/make/ford

Edelbrock Performer RPM #2090 Top End Kit
351w 451hp/433tq in 9.5:1 Compression
$4900

Performer RPM 451 HP Top End Kit for 1969-95 Small-Block Ford 351W Engines

Edelbrock part #2090 Performer RPM Top End Kit is designed for 1969-95 Small-Block Ford 351W V-8 engines. This Top End Kit produced 451 HP & 433 TQ on a 351W c.i.d engine with 9.5:1 compression.

www.edelbrock.com

Speed Pro Hypereutectic Pistons 4.060"
$170

FORD Speed Pro H336CP 60 Speed-Pro Hypereutectic Pistons | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Speed-Pro Hypereutectic Pistons with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Pistons at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Speedmaster Procomp Forged H-Beam Rods
$415

FORD Speedmaster PCE274.1045 Procomp Electronics H-Beam Connecting Rods | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Procomp Electronics H-Beam Connecting Rods with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Connecting Rods at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Holley Sniper EFI 4BBL Black
Up to 650hp, integrated FPR, ECU and Coil
$1200

Holley Sniper EFI 550-511 Holley Sniper EFI Self-Tuning Kit - Black

Holley's Sniper EFI is the absolute best way to upgrade your car to fuel injection with just 4 simple connections required. This 4-barrel system features a dual pattern bolt on design built to fit 4150 flange & spreadbore manifolds. Sniper is designed to be installed at home in your garage or...

www.holley.com

Moroso Standard Flow Electric Water Pump
$502

WATER PUMP, ELECTRIC, BILLET ALUMINUM, FORD 289, STANDARD ROTATION 302 & 351W

Ford 2289, 302 Pre- 94 and 351W Electric Water Pump Height: 4.625 Inch Weight: 6.23 lbs Note: Standard Rotation Only

www.moroso.com

Ford Performance Timing Cover w/Dipstick Provision

Ford Performance Parts M-6059-D351 Ford Performance Parts Timing Chain Covers | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Ford Performance Parts Timing Chain Covers with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Timing Covers at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Standard Volume Oil Pump
$51

More Information for SEALED POWER 22441143

ARP Chromoly Oil Pump Driveshaft
$23

ARP 154-7901 ARP Oil Pump Driveshafts | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - ARP Oil Pump Driveshafts with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Oil Pump Driveshafts at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Milodon Stock Depth (4.1" stroke) Front Sump Pro Touring/Road Race Oil Pan
$440

Milodon 31630 Milodon Pro Touring Oil Pans | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Milodon Pro Touring Oil Pans with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Oil Pans at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Milodon Stainless Steel Dipstick
$80

Milodon 22030 Milodon Stainless Steel Oil Dipsticks | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Milodon Stainless Steel Oil Dipsticks with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Engine Oil Dipsticks at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Milodon Front Sump Pro-touring Pickup
$60

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-18505

Roller Conversion Lifters (undetermined MFR)
$600

Push rods (undetermined length)
$150

Scorpion Racing Rocker Arms (undetermined ratio)
$350

Scorpion Racing Products SCP1021: Race Series Rocker Arm Small Block Ford V8 289-302-351W - JEGS High Performance

Buy Scorpion Racing Products SCP1021 at JEGS: Scorpion Racing Products Race Series Rocker Arm Small Block Ford V8 289-302-351W. Guaranteed lowest price!

www.jegs.com

Holley MSD HyperSpark Distributor
$300

Holley Sniper EFI 565-302 Sniper EFI HyperSpark Distributor - Ford Small Block (351W)

Do you need to upgrade your ignition system due to a recent Sniper EFI installation, but have no idea which option is best? Introducing HyperSpark Ignition, from Sniper EFI. The complete system consists of a CD Ignition Box, Billet distributor with Hall effect crank signal sensor, an ignition...

www.holley.com

Holley Sniper EFI HyperSpark Ignition Coil
$50

Holley Sniper EFI 556-152 Sniper EFI HyperSpark Ignition Coil

Do you need to upgrade your ignition system due to a recent Sniper EFI installation, but have no idea which option is best? Introducing HyperSpark Ignition, from Sniper EFI. The complete system consists of an ignition coil, CD ignition box, billet distributor with hall effect crank signal...

www.holley.com

Tremec TKX 5-speed .68 5th gear (w/Moser 8.8 @ 3.55)
$2800

TREMEC TKX 5-Speed TCET17765 Ford 26-Spline .68 5th Gear

Shift with satisfaction in your classic muscle car with this 26-spline, .68 5th gear TREMEC TKX 5-speed for Ford applications. Shop today.

americanpowertrain.com

Breeze Power Steering Pump W/Reservoir
$480

70695 Power Steering Pump Assembly w Fabricated Reservoir - Breeze Automotive

This pump in this kit is a GM Type II low flow style for use with power rack and pinion steering. The reservoir is fabricated aluminum with billet cap, top and outlet plates. It can be mounted to 302 and 351 based Windsor small block Ford engines with the Breeze 70697 Driver Side Power Steering...

breezeautomotive.com

Breeze Billet Convex Side Mirror Set
$275

Billet Aluminum Side-View Mirror Set with Polished Finish, Made in USA - Breeze Automotive

Add safety and convenience to your roadster! This innovative side-view mirror set mounts to the windshield via the wind-wing bracket. This brings the mirror inside the wind-wing and eliminates the need to drill into your painted body. The mirrors are 4″ diameter and convex for a wider field of...

breezeautomotive.com

Every other day I find something I forgot. This is my first American push rod V8, so the discovery process has been a ton of fun.

 

Melling high-volume Oil Pump
$85

FORD Melling M-83HV Melling High-Volume Oil Pumps | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - Melling High-Volume Oil Pumps with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Oil Pumps at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

just a quick comment on your HV oil pump.
I had one in my original build, but other forum members talked me out of it. Unless you're running high RPMs, racing, or using an oil cooler, my understanding is that it's not necessary and might actually put some undue stress on the pump shaft and pump/dizzy gears. I ended up switching out the pump after I installed the engine which was a bit of a PITA to get the oil pan off while laying on my back.
Food for thought.

 

on these forums, it's been fun helping others spend their money. Looks like we'll have no issues with you
you're off to a great start. this thing should be a beast when you're ready to stab in the drivetrain!

 

Where in San Diego are you? I'm in La Mesa and have built a MK-II and helped on a dozen or so other FFR's. Let me know if you need any help.

Ray

 

Absolutely! Do you still have your car?
I'd love to come see it and talk your ear off about it! 😂

Message me if you're willing to meet up!
I'm trying to meet as many locals as possible who know how to build these things.

 

Hey Alex!

it was really nice to meet you, and since you're only 15 minutes from me, i'll be around to check out your build on a fairly regular basis,

it's been great to get a dose of enthusiasm from you. i can tell you're excited about getting your kit, and i can only imagine it's going to be tough to have to wait until January of next year, but you've got a nice starting project in the engine you have.

see you again soon.

 

Hey Alex!

it was really nice to meet you, and since you're only 15 minutes from me, i'll be around to check out your build on a fairly regular basis,

it's been great to get a dose of enthusiasm from you. i can tell you're excited about getting your kit, and i can only imagine it's going to be tough to have to wait until January of next year, but you've got a nice starting project in the engine you have.

see you again soon.

Great meeting you as well! Can't wait to start in on the kit with your experienced guidance!

Also, my old lady was peeing on the floor so I had to get creative. Portable pee pad. 🔥

Held on with a couple HF magnets.
All in cost: $20

 

JK is right on the money here. I have a 289 that squeezed the rod bearings into the oil pan in a matter of seconds when the pump drive snapped. I'm sure that being full throttle and 5K rpm had nothing to do with that drama.

 

So what's the fix? Hardened pump shaft? Or OEM style pump? Both?

 

The .040 289 that went back in was built out of 302. I used a Milodon pan to get the volume up to 8 quarts and high volume pump with a hardened larger drive. The high volume pump supports the slightly loose clearances used in the friction reduction effort.

I should mention this went into a 65 Mustang so YMMV.

 

Got the block deck surfaces cleaned and checked them all with a straight edge and .0016" feeler gauge: Perfect.

Measured my piston/deck clearance to be .056" which seems high, and is more than the book I have states (not a factory manual). One of those How to rebuild a SBF Books.

Confirmed that the bores are 4.060" which is also not recommended according to the book I have. I have seen plenty of posts from people saying .060" over is fine, and other that say "oh hell no". I guess we will find out! Going to keep my rotating assembly on the lower budget side just in case, but this engine had 25k on the rebuild and it was in a utility truck so I'm not terribly concerned.


I also pulled the pistons and found some interesting rod bearing wear patterns. Anyone good at reading these? I have been searching all of the available references I can find to try and build some perspective. Thoughts on below?

 

Welcome to the fray! Looks like you are off to a good start and have a nice parts list picked out. I always go with standard volume and pressure oil pumps as there is no need for extra pressure or volume and its tougher on the distributor gear and camshaft. Also always use a chromoly oil pump shaft. I can still see the cross hatch in the cylinders, you might get away with a hone and new rings but you would have to measure the bores to see where youre at. As for the rod bearings, the top usually has the most wear because thats where the pressure is compressing and then combusting. use good fasteners where you can, you'll need to resize the rods if you do rod bolts. No worries on the deck height, it helps take a little compression out of it but if its going to the machine shop, it would be a good idea to deck it at least to get a nice square and clean surface for the head gaskets to seal on. Good Luck and keep up the good work.

 

Thanks for the tips!

 

Keep posting blazing

 

Had a great visit to Factory Five this week and finalized my build sheet. Decided to make a few changes based on some great feedback I've received from the people on this forum, and the team at Factory Five Racing.

After some discussions about fuel delivery, I am likely going to have to run my own fuel lines as I am being told that there is no return line in the kit. Also, I'm being told that the fuel supply line likely won't be large enough in diameter for my setup. Interested in your feedback on that. So I will be purchasing the Aeromotive drop in EFI setup somewhere online, and will likely run AN fittings/Lines myself. TBD.

Another notable change is that I have been convinced to upgrade to the IRS setup over the 3-link suspension. I have not yet heard anyone say they wished they hadn't opted for IRS, but several people have stated that if they could do it all over, they would have chosen IRS over their 3-links. Looking for your thoughts here as well. Agreed?

I know F5 states that you can't run the heater option with the glovebox dash, but I'm convinced I'll be able to figure out how to make it all fit.

I am going with the hydraulic brake setup and do not plan to run a booster. I opted for the F5 supplied kit as opposed to the aftermarket options but for no good reason other than simplicity, and they assured me that it came with everything I need to hook it up to my proposed TKX/QuickTime setup.

I chose Power Steering despite the many differing opinions regarding "feel" and things like that. I hope to be able to dial in the power assist to achieve a balance that I am comfortable with. I have a 1973 Datsun 240z without Power Steering and it's great, but I am not running an Iron V8, 17" wheels or fatty-bo-batty tires on the front of it.

I have read a lot of posts stating that you need to drill the windshield support for the sun visors and wind wings supplied by Factory Five. The guy I was working with at their HQ stated that the windshields come drilled and tapped for the visors and wings. Can anyone who has purchased recently confirm this?

Lastly, I am going to order a slightly wider low back aluminum racing seat direct from Kirkey. The one they supply fits comfortably, but not when the belt is run through the provisioned slots on the sides. I think 18.5-19" will be perfect for my Sasquatch sized frame. They allowed me to delete the standard vinyl seats to save a few bucks (and some storage space) on those.

Posting the build sheet below. Any thoughts or comments, please share!

PS. Dave is a great guy. The whole team was great and extremely helpful. So excited to be joining the F5 family!