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Well, this weekend may be the big weekend of tearing into the seam work. I have lots of West Systems and the 410 filler. I have considered a few different methods of grinding out the seams. I have an angle grinder with 50grit 4.5" sanding discs, a Dremel with the small 1/2" sanding drums and also a die grinder with a larger ~1.5" sanding drum. What is the best tool for the job? What is the best steps to follow to tackle the seams? Also, I have been working with the West Systems on the hood hinge hoop and find it fairly runny. How in the world to you keep if from dripping off the car on the vertical seams like the rear fenders, etc? Do you just let it set for a while or what? Do you use really thin coats with a plastic spreader?

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Uh......Roger Stine Video? You oughta get one and check it out.
He uses a 4" angle grinder, 80 grit disks. Afterward, he puts masking tape along all the seams to control drips. He starts about a half inch on either side of the seam and makes it wider after each application / sanding. By the time he's done the third coat, he's about 2 inches on either side. He uses a sponge paintbrush on the first two applications and the last application had filler in it and he used a plastic squeege to apply.
 

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I took down the seams with the 4" angle ginder and 50 grit disks. The 410 filler is great for big cracks but it doesn't feather very well. I think it's 403 microlight fairing filler that is good for finish.

That being said, I could never get it super smooth. The guy who painted the car used some sort of bondo to get it really smooth.But I feel better that most of the fill is with high quality west system epoxy/filler.

Also, remember, apply very thin coats. That in combination with filler will keep it from running. It is a terrible sanding job if it's on too thick, I know!
 

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John,

I used all of those tools, depends on location.

First coat is no filler and is runny. Use tape and for vertical sections wait till it sets up a bit.

By third coat use plenty of 410 to make it thick and spreadable.

Really easy work, it is the sanding that takes time..... her I go for another weekend of it....

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First think about the objective. The purpose is to remove the seams and enough material around the seams that is not properly filled-in with resin.

Disclaimer: This is my first time, but here is what I did and learnt.

I used the 4" grinder to remove the seams. As I went along, I also removed material near the edges of the seam to ENSURE THE BASE UNDER THAT MATERIAL was solid. The goal was to find air pockets. If there's a pocket, just grind the material away until you have solid surface. Don't be afraid, you can't mess it up, but don't go crazy either. The Epoxy filler will cover all the mistakes nicely.

In the end, I had the seams gone and perhaps 3/4" to 1.5" of material away from each edge also ground off. That gave me the satisfaction of knowing I had solid stuff and no hidden bubbles.

Next. I used masking tape (cheap kind) to tape 2 inches away from the edge and mixed 4 pumps at a time of the West resin/hardener. I used a 1 inch brush to "paint" the epoxy anywhere the grinder left a mark. The objective was to seal the fibers and provide a foundation (not to build up the seam, but to seal it, that's why I say paint it). After an hour or so, I remove the tape and when dry (next day), I used 80 grit paper to start shaping the seam by removing the excess epoxy from the gel coated areas unaffected by the grinding process. If you think about it, the gel coat ungrounded areas are the GUIDES.

Then I tape again, this time a little bit Awa's from the edge of the first tape. Mix the epoxy with resin and 410 to a medium thickness. Not runny, but not too stiff that it is hard to spread. You will know you have it down path if you can spread it thin and yet the mix stays put (say on the fenders). Of course, expect it to sag in vertical areas. Using a plastic spreader (3 inch), I covered the seam from edge of tape to edge of tape (Perpendicular to the seam). STAY THIN, don't try to cover it in one pass. After an hour or so, remove tape, let dry and spend hours sanding away.

After the first coat, you will know exactly what it is you are doing.

Repeat the process 2 or 3 more times. I had to do it 5 in mine. 1 with epoxy alone, and 4 with 410 filler.

Tips:

* Use masking tape to keep the edges of the epoxy from running wild and making sanding difficult.

* On each pass, expand the edge of the tape wider to feather out the effects of the sanding, just like doing drywall, I guess. By going wider, you get a chance to seal over the sanded gel coat.

* Use a flexible board or sanding blocks. Never your hand unless the boards can't be used.

* You know you got it when the edges of the epoxy start to melt down with the rest of the body. That's an indication that you are pretty well faired. Use the finger tips to feel for the edges. Remember that any unevenness of up to a 1/8" can be filled in with the K38 primer. I guess I was anal about it, but figure I'll have more chances to improve the finish when the guide coat sanding takes place.

*In the photos below, you can see where the where the solid WHITE is where grounding took place. The lighter WHITE is feathered epoxy into the gel coat cover. Notice my seams are between 1.5 and 2 inches. The most feathering took place in the front fender wells, which is the most difficult area to sand.

If you look way behind by the garage door, you can see I got so comfortable working with the epoxy and filler I decided to fill in the unevenness around the hood scoop opening and top. PS. A hard rasp SOMETIMES comes handy to shape gobs of dried epoxy before sanding with #80.






[ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: Pepe Borja ]
 

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Jose, or others,

Did you extend the hood back past the scoop opening? How did you do it?

third fill, and looking pretty close over here.
 

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I saw a ffr in build locally and the buy had a great tool for sanding the body and maintaining a consistant curve. He took a sheet of mylar, about 8 1/2 x 11, pretty think but pliable, glued a 2x2 to the back side of top and bottom - he then uses sticky sandpaper sheets on the front side. Running the "sander" at a 45 degree angle to the top of the fender he maintains a beautiful and consistant curve. He also has an assortment of pvc piping, like 2", 3" and 4 that he puts the sticky paper on to sand the concave areas. Two pieces of pipe insulation, that rubbery stuff, wrapped around each other, again with sticky paper to run around area's where the curve angles change, like the wheel well. If I get out his way I'll try to take some pictures. Hope this helps.
 
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