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Took delivery on my MKIII kit earlier in the year, however, work schedule has not allow any activity on the project other than dust collecting on the boxes. Hope to start within the next few weeks. I have reviewed many of the posts regarding the subject matter. Does anyone have a list of components that have been put into operation and that work properly. Also, any photos supporting these products and actual installation would greatly be appreciated.
 

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As for power steering, I did alot of research for the same things when I was considering my purchase. When I talked with Joe at FFR he advised me if I wanted power steering to go with a power rack from a 1983 4 cyl non sport suspension, the power brakes are a totally differant story, I went with after market hydro-boost set up, if you want more info on them check with www.hydroboost.com.
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I have both. Brakes from a 90 mustang. Used the unmodified pedal box,brake booster,and master cylinder along with the stock distribution block.
You will need to to a frame mod that lowwers a section of 3/4" tubing to make clearence for the booster. You can weld in or buy the bolt in kit avalible from a vendor on this site.
Power steering hoses,pump,and rack from same 90 mustang but pump bracket was changed to a ford racing bracket to relocate pump. Relief valve spring needs to be cut down in length to take some of the power out of the pump,cut too far just shim it back with plug index washers till desired feel or heit's valve used in line to control pressure.
All stock mustang parts except for the pump bracket from ford.
These two mods are by far the best done to my roadster.
 

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Humple, are you using a donor if so you have most of what you need. If it's a nondonor build you probably have more options since you'll be starting from zero. I would suggest if you have the donor to go with both, thats what I did and have no regrets.
 

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As stated above, if you're going donor, you already have most of the parts you will need....
If non-donor, check with Breeze on their 3 to 1 turn-ratio power rack...You can use the stock ps pump, or there are several after-market pumps....
I don't really like the Mustang vacuum booster, because it is so large...Way more vacuum than you'll need for brakes....A "pancake" style power booster from one of the Japanese imports will be
less obtrusive into the wheel well (I used one from a Toyota Tercel)...You will still have to do some frame mods, unless you can find one from a Geo/Sprint...Member dv/dt (Rod)can help you on this mod.
You will find this car to be much more enjoyable to drive with Ps/Pb, in my opinion, and it's relatively easy to do at this stage.
 

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3100 miles with manual (Jeep) brakes and cut pedal.

then:

3000 miles with power brakes 7" booster, Corvette master, and Hawk HPS pads. I love it!

I will probably add power steering this winter.

R :D
 

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Thanks for the prompt response and comments. All are greatly appreciated. Mine is going to be a non-donor build with a 351W, 5 Speed Tremec, IRS, four wheel disc brakes. I am sure that you all can relate to the nervous anticipation when at this early phase of the project and the want to do the best job possible.

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Humple,

Here's a picture of my frame mod and donor brake setup, FYI. The frame mod is very easy and definitely something you can make yourself with a piece of steel plate from Home Depot.


 

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To go along with what DMW said,and since I used his pic's as a guide when doing mine(thanks) You will find the lowwer steering bearing gets bolted to the inside instead of outside of foot box and a spacer or some washers will need to be added between foot box wall and booster same as it was when in donor. Also a few mounting holes needed to be opened to to 1/2" if remembering right. Useing stock booster set up.
Adding fluid to the resevior is done with a hose and funnel or turkey basestor if not using remote resevior option.
 

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I think we agree on the advantages of power brakes...I just don't think there's a need to intrude so far into the fender, making access to the filler clumsy , at best....This picture shows the Tercel vacuum booster installed (installed after the car was finished)...Notice the filler is on the inside of the 3/4inch frame member...Also, the Mustang m/c fit the Tercel booster without modification (other than a remade
pressure screw...a 10 minute change).
This, of course, is a Mk2 frame, but a slight frame mod is needed anyway.

 

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I installed power steering and love it... Im also thinking about upgrading to power brakes when the body comes off for paint this winter.
 

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My setup:







HTH!

R :D
 

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Welcome neighbor,
Hydroboost - works without frame mods. Provides PS and PB's. I love mine. PM me for details or check my buildsite for pics.

Greg
 

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Ah, the age old question. I think I spent more time chasing this one around FFCARS then almost anything else.

I have a donor '04 power rack and hydraboost - got it from Mustang Parts Specialists (MPS) out of Winder, GA (I think).

For the 351W motor, I went with a Summitt Racing '93 style PS Pump. Pulleys were available and it all hooked up well on the motor.

I researched and researched how to use SS flex lines instead of trying to re-bend the stock hoses. A couple of points;

1) you can use the stockers, just not going to look all that clean.
2) if you build your own SS flex line YOU MUST get the HIGH PRESSURE compatible line. Normal SS flex line is rated normally up to 750 or 1200 psi. The high pressure line is rated up to 2200 psi - which is needed for this application. In addition, you have to get matching high pressure AN fittings - not the aluminum low pressure ones.

When I first started researching this, Paul at www.hydroboost.com (listed above) was selling the lines; later he didn't sell them. Or, maybe he would sell them if you didnt buy the hydraboost from him.

I was able to get the right SS flex lines from Midwest Cobras in Toledo, OH. They have a lot of expereince with this setup and were very helpful.

Here you can see the hydraboost mounted along with the '93 style pump on the motor.



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Final install:




I have driven the car just over 200 miles so far. The brakes are fantastic. I wouldnt go manual with disk brakes - they are not self energizing like drum brakes.

The power steering is nice. I might install a Hiedts PS proportioning valve later on so that I can adjust the boost to the steering. Just more for playing then anything else.
 

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Originally posted by Greg_M:
Welcome neighbor,
Hydroboost - works without frame mods. Provides PS and PB's. I love mine. PM me for details or check my buildsite for pics.

Greg
Greg,

I'm checking out your buildsite now. Very nice.
 

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Update - now have 2400 miles on car with setup described above from my earilier response.

Brakes are still fantastic.

Steering is great. Although, I am thinking about putting in a hiedts PS valve over the winter just to have the easy adjustability (of the boost to the steering). No complaints, but what the heck - what else am I going to do over the winter in Michigan?

IMHO - this is the way to go for PS and PB.
 

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I have built 3 cars and I put PS on all 3. I ran a 4 cylinder rack on the second car and the steering is too light. I would stick with the standard 5.0 fast rack and adjust your steering feel either by cutting and shimming the spring or with a heidts valve. As for power brakes, you dont need to even go crazy with the brakes if you run power. The 3rd car I built was strictly stock drum/disks exactly out of the donor 89 mustang with the power and the brakes are perfect. My personal car has the 13"/11.65" brake setup with power but I also have 652 rear wheel horsepower to try to slow down!!! HTH

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Just for a different perspective, I used an electric power brake from ABS and I love it - no frame mods and a direct replacement for the mastercylinder (its also chromed and because fluid is pressurised, it make brake bleeding a cinch). Not cheap though at about $800 or so. I dont have power steering but do have arthritis but now Im used to it, I like the manual steering which is fine once the car is moving and gives lots of feel with no bump steer to speak of. Lots of pics if you search on electric power brake..
Steve
 
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