[CBP]

I can't get it to stick!!!!...
Yesterday night, I was surprised myself!

The story: New engine, new Canton Pan installed 1 month ago and a leak… :-(
The fact: The Pan is not straight and I need to modify it a little bit!

When I installed the Canton one month ago, I used Black RTV sealant on both sides of the gasket and did a good prep on the engine side and the oil pan side. The result: oil pan totally stuck!!!...

I tried a lot of tools and I can't get it to stick without hurting the pan!
Who is able to help me here?

Thx a lot
Cyril

 

[Bob Cowan]

Use a wide gasket scraper and a hammer along the rails. Move it from one end of the pan rail to another. Once that's loose, the front and rear should be a lot easier.

 

[CBP]

thank you bob, but I tried and with a 460 it is almost impossible to work around!!!...
If it is the only way, I will try a longer gasket scraper.
What do you mean by wide? (1", 2",...?)
Thx
Cyril

 

[Bob Cowan]

use a 2" scraper. It's thin, like a putty knife. If you put something too thick in there (like a screwdriver), you'll damage the pan rail.

 

[FordManDan]

Assuming we are walking small block fords here...

Was this the Quality Roadsters Pan?? I'm not worried, but I was just wondering if there is a "known history" of these pans having leaking issues.

Also, if you use a one piece pan gasket such as a SCE model (about $25) I don't think you should need any RTV sealant.--Maybe in the four corners next to the front and rear main seals, but not everywhere.

How many of you put a ONE PEICE gasket on with NO/minimal RTV?

I am certain the factory uses very little RTV with one piece gaskets.--Dan

 

[stremboli]

The putty knife suggestion is a good one. Just go all the way around and it will come off.
My pan leaked but it was because I used bolts that were too long and I wasnt snugging the pan to the block. Once I figured out the problem my Q-R pan fit perfectly.

 

[Aaron Silidker]

In the future, avoid goop. Use it only on where the rails meet the end seals if it isnt a one piece gasket.

 

[dale]

I used the one-piece gasket from CarQuest; has holes for the bolts and the front/rear end-seals built right in. Its fool proof and worked great for me. No goop required.

 

[o2world]

Assuming we are walking small block fords here...

Was this the Quality Roadsters Pan?? I'm not worried, but I was just wondering if there is a "known history" of these pans having leaking issues.

There are no issues with Quality Roadsters Pan at all. It a very nice pan that is a must. Levy Racing also has a very nice pan too. The stock pan for most small blocks will stick lower that the frame rail causing alot of damage over time. Dont' ask how I know this.

 

[boyelroy]

A couple of good shots from the sides with a rubber mallet or deadblow to the deep area of the pan works well too. Just watch that you don't get carried away with that spiffy oil pan.

Hope this helps

Bruce

 

[CBP]

it is a Canton Pan and not very good product!
Need more work on this pan to be straight and I will go this time with a 4 pieces gasket...

Bruce, the rubber mallet is sometimes a good way but in my case I guaranty you that I will go through the Pan before it will come off!!!...

Thx
Cyril

 

[Sinatra Fan]

Originally posted by CBP:
it is a Canton Pan and not very good product!
Need more work on this pan to be straight and I will go this time with a 4 pieces gasket...
Thx
Cyril

Cyril:

I have the canton road race pan (small block) and the toughest part of the install was that there was a scraper welded on the side of the pan that was hitting the pickup tube. After I bent to clear, the rest was like butta! I did use the 4 piece fel-pro gasket kit and used RTV black on both sides and sealed up perfectly. Hopefully, you can get the pan off and get this sorted out. Maybe you should consider lifting the motor a bit to get more room to work.

 

[Rickster]

Just drop a small charge of C4 into the oil drain plug with a timer set to say.....30 seconds?......


I used the one piece seal on a stock pan with goop only on the seal ends, no problems yet.

 

[GGnitter]

Bruces remedy usually works for me as well. Pan gaskets are usually cork and they will come apart with a few good wacks of a large rubber mallet.

 

[Nick1]

I'd try with a 6 inch pry bar,

As for Caton oil pan, they have a long history of questionable quality, just do a search

Nick

 

[CBP]

Done!
A long and wide gasket scraper with a hammer along the rails was the way to go (in my case).
Need to clean everything, try to do something with this poor quality pan, drill it for the oil temp sensor and install it with a 4 pieces fel-pro gasket with... RTV black on both sides...

Thank you very much guys for your help
Cyril

 

[o2world]

Cyril,,..unless you really need it, don't use RTV on both sides. RTV is good to hold the gasket in place while you put the pan on from under the car. Really you shouldn't need that much.

 

[o2world]

double post

[ August 11, 2004, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: o2world ]