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Just had a letter back from the NY registry office needing more info on my build. The one that concerns me is that they want a year for the engine and all applicable emissions equipment for that year.

I bought the engine/tran from Vintage Motor sports in CT, taken from a Backdraft that was getting an upgrade. I have a receipt which shows a serial number which is not on the engine. Supposedly it is an ATK long block "or similar" that was rebuilt and that it's common for the serial tag to fall off.

With no identifiable numbers on the engine how do I provide a year? Make something up?!

Also, I understand that being in "upstate NY" all I need, and have, is a PCV.

What to do?
 

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For what its worth...When I registered the cobra here the DMV didn't have a clue how to do it.So I hired a local tag & title company (who does this dozens of times each day) .I gave the T.&T. company all the paperwork and $50.00.They did all the rest.A few days later ...it was registered.
Here is a list for N.Y.State.T.&. T. companies.
>>> https://nytagandtitle.com/
 

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Update:

(1) I tried calling a NYS T&T office in Albany. They could help with the titling but not the registration, so no joy there.

(2) Finally got an email at 11:50AM today with my appointment date! WAHOO! Except it's for today ... 12:30PM. 40 minutes notice? Seriously? "You may RESCHEDULE or cancel an appointment ... at least 48 hours (2 business days) before a currently scheduled appointment." Right.

So I had to call and get a 'new' appointment. Seems like they only work on Monday and with next week being July 4, next open slot is July 11.

Waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...
 

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I don't know if you got your car completed yet, but I just barely finished mine up 2 weeks ago. I went to the Syracuse location. My experience was this:

Just had a letter back from the NY registry office needing more info on my build. The one that concerns me is that they want a year for the engine and all applicable emissions equipment for that year.
All they care about is what it be equipped with for their records and future inspectors. I had a 1990 Ford 302 block, but I sent a statement saying that it would replicate a 1965 setup and therefore the only emission system would be a PCV (required). They accepted that no propblem despite it being a '1990 engine'.

I bought the engine/tran from Vintage Motor sports in CT, taken from a Backdraft that was getting an upgrade. I have a receipt which shows a serial number which is not on the engine. Supposedly it is an ATK long block "or similar" that was rebuilt and that it's common for the serial tag to fall off.

With no identifiable numbers on the engine how do I provide a year? Make something up?!
I didn't have a title, but the engine DID have a Serial # and I had a bill of sale. They can look up the vehicle the block came from with a partial VIN search (ie engine block S/N#). As long as that vehicle doesn't show up as stolen in their system, and you have a bill of sale, you're fine.

What kind of engine is it? Are you 100% sure the S/N isn't somewhere on the block?
 

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I've an appointment with my local salvage inspectors this coming Monday.

Before the engine went into the car I searched all over for a number, found nothing. I didn't take off the starter as Mark suggests, perhaps I should do that this weekend and get a photo. I bought the engine 'carb to pan', I never removed anything - dropped it into my car as it was taken out of the previous one, transmission and all. Hopefully not too difficult to remove the starter with the engine in. If they can't see it with the starter on though, are they going to have me remove it to show them at the inspection?

When I called Vintage Motor Sports in CT they told me that it was an engine built from a long block, "probably ATK". There's a serial number on the invoice but not on the engine - as I mentioned, he said its usual for the tag to fall off. I also have a copy of the invoice from the Backdraft that it was originally installed into. I assume it had the tag then and they just copied the details onto my sale. If there were a tag to ID it, I can't imagine it would have anything stamped as well.

How would a partial VIN search work? Surely it could potentially match any number of cars if only a partial number?

If there are legitimately no identifiers on the engine, what happens?

EDIT: The number behind the starter is the casting number as Mark notes, not the VIN. Where would a VIN be located? Searching online for clues ...
 

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How would a partial VIN search work? Surely it could potentially match any number of cars if only a partial number?
While there are numerous VIN configurations, the engine serial # (which makes up 50% of the VIN) can only be found on ONE configuration. The Engine CODE is different, that tells you the year and location of manufacture. That's what you'll find on the side of the block.

For example, mine was "LF116705" ... and the VIN it found associated to that Engine S/N# was 1FACP45E8LF116705, a 1990 Convertible GT. No other variation could have those same last 8 characters.

My 302 SBF had the Serial # here on the BACK behind the intake manifold and right before the bell housing. (It was really hard to read at first and applied chalk to help) It was STAMPED into the block itself, not a tag.

-OR- On 351s they're sometimes on the vertical back of the engine block (next to bellhousing).




You have a receipt from a legitimate engine supplier, I'll bet you'll be fine. They're really just trying to make sure it's not from a reported-stolen vehicle.
 

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It's a 351W SBF. I'll take a look tonight when I get home, but wondering how accessible that location is going to be with the engine in the car.

Starting to get a little nervous about Monday's appointment!
 

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I managed to see the beginning of the casting number without taking the starter off: F0AE, which looks to make it a 1990 "Full Size Ford Engine". I can't make out the rest but at least that tells me the year.

Tried using my cell phone to video at the back of the engine above the bellhousing to search for evidence of any stamped numbers. Given I now know it's a 1990, there must be something on there somewhere. Couldn't see anything with that fishing in the dark technique, so dug out a 'mirror-on-a-stick' tool and a flash light.

I *think* I can just about make out something on that vertical block you mention. Tried cleaning it up with some acetone. If I use my imagination it looks like it could well be a number stamped with a kind of dot matrix tool. Unfortunately I can't actually make out any of the numbers and don't think it would be legible even with the engine out. The first number might be a 7 but more than that ...

Interestingly, I *do* know the VIN of the car it came out of as it's on the copy of the invoice for the original purchase of the engine when it went into the Backdraft. Wonder if they'll accept that without any evidence on the engine itself?

Guess I'll just have to wait to Monday to find out. :001_unsure:
 

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Not letting this go ... >:)

Scraped off some more paint with a finger nail - fearful of using anything abrasive as the imprint is so light. Rubbed some chalk over it and then wiped off the excess. Another contortionist camera job with the cell phone.

Any takers on guessing the serial number here?! Looks like it might end in 55, 3rd number a 2 maybe ...

 

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An update for anyone interested in the NY process.

Drove to the Highland field inspection office today. Not well signed, looks like an auto body shop from the outside. Sign on the door: "DO NOT KNOCK. Take a seat in the waiting room."

Was 20 minutes early so backed the car off the trailer. 10 minutes after the appointment was due, an officer came in and listed off 4 vehicles including mine: "pull them into the inspection bay please". Followed the other 3 which were all in for 'salvage/repair' inspections. They each went onto a lift, I didn't and was told to just park up.

Went and sat in the waiting room with the other drivers. And sweated. I don't think I've been so nervous since my kids were born. I knew they weren't moving the car as I hadn't told them where the safety button was. Just left it with doors and hood open, as requested. A little under 2 hours later, with 2 of the other cars already 'called', my time came. The same officer came in ... "Roadster?". Yep, me. Followed her through the 'DO NOT KNOCK' door into the inspection area, sweating bullets.

Officer: "You have the original COO?"
Me: "Yes, you need it?"
Officer: "No. Just checking you have it. Here's your form, that's the VIN, this is where we attached the yellow sticker. You're all set."
Me: <speechless>

There was no question of the engine serial number, transmission, nothing. I can only think that the set of receipts I originally submitted was sufficient.

She did go on to tell me that the title process was currently taking 8 weeks though. So it looks like I'm back to calling the title agency in Albany to see if they can expedite that.

I tried to get her to sign the car in silver sharpie but she said she wasn't allowed to. Just my 7 year old daughter's "Congrats" message so far.

Getting there. Don't we all love NY?
 

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She did go on to tell me that the title process was currently taking 8 weeks though. So it looks like I'm back to calling the title agency in Albany to see if they can expedite that.
CONGRATS! But in case you didn't know .. you do NOT need to wait for that title to get your Roadster on the road! About 2-3 days after my inspection, I received my form from NY Safety (VS-103) in the mail with my new VIN# saying it was eligible to be registered on the road. Took that along with the signed MV-272 to a Safety Inspection station. That same afternoon went to the DMV to get it registered with plates. I was on the road 4-5 days after my Field Inspection! Still waiting on my title now. Good Luck!
 

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For anyone following or for future reference for NYers, an update.

We left the story with my MkIII having received her yellow sticker with the NY VIN on Monday, JUL 11. That evening I emailed a copy of the form to Albany DMV but received no reply. Previous emails had gone unanswered, so I wasn't surprised. Hard copies of the same documents went out in the mail that night.

On Friday, I received a letter from NY DMV stating that my car was 'eligible for registration'. I almost fell over in surprise - was thinking it was going to be another waiting game. Of course, it being Friday, there was nothing I could do over the weekend but email my office and tell them I wouldn't be in on Monday. :wink2:

Knowing that I still needed a NY inspection, I booked a UHaul trailer (third rental) and tried to relax for the night. First thing Saturday morning I picked up the trailer and took the car to a local tire garage (I won't mention the name of the establishment) for the state inspection. The manager came out, I explained what I needed, he took my DMV document and headed into the office. 2 minutes later he comes out and says 'where do you want the sticker?'. :surprise:

The car didn't come off the trailer, he didn't even look at the car, the manual wipers were on the passenger seat along with the Harbor Freight 12v heater which was still in the box. But I had the inspection officially passed.

Monday morning, got an updated insurance ID card emailed to me with the newly allocated VIN. Headed to my local DMV and prepared to spend a morning sitting and waiting for my number to come up on their 'now serving' screen.

Wasn't too bad - about 20 minutes. Then proceeded to explain to the very pleasant lady what I needed. In the 11 years she'd worked at the DMV she'd never registered a custom, so there was a fair amount of looking things up on the computer and asking her colleagues at various stages.

Paid the state tax on the kit purchase and engine, told I'd have to reclaim the CT tax I'd already paid on the engine as they should never have charged it. I'm British, what do I know of the US tax system? :laugh2: Once that was done, we checked off all the requirements - insurance, proof of ownership (had to explain what the COO was), DMV forms, weight certificate, inspection receipt. She then reached into a drawer and pulled out a pair of shiny new NY plates.

I think my heart skipped a beat at that point, I could hardly believe that after 9 years my car was to be street legal and I could actually drive it. Got home, put the plates on, and took a 10 mile drive. Amazing, so much more than I ever imagined and so worth the wait. Need to get a video camera for some 'proof', but now itching to take the car out again.

Summary of this thread for any future NY registrations:

(1) Get the paperwork done EARLY! A month or more before you're actually ready, send them out
(2) Don't sweat the inspections - if you have receipts for the major components, the inspection is just a formality
(3) See #1
 

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Congratulations! I've heard horror-stories about NY registrations (I think they confiscated an engine from a '33 builder and he had to remove it on-site and leave it to keep his car! Don't remember the details, but it gave me nightmares!)

Our process locally is much less painless, but dealing with the DMV is always and experience. They lost my paperwork INSIDE the building! They signed for it and the post-office sent me the signed delivery confirmation, then lost it. A month after I got my historical plates, they notified me that someone else already had my plate numbers (yeah, ME!!). They found my original form and tried to process it after they approved my second form. IDGITS! :wink2:

It's all forgotten after that first DRIVE

take care and drive the wheels off of it now! Wow, 9 years ??
 

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Yes, 9 years. I bought the kit as a 40th birthday present to myself ... I turn 50 next year.

Original plans were 'maybe 2 or 3 years' to build, but with it being a non-donor and not a full kit purchase, sourcing parts and changing my mind many times came into play. Not only that, but life in general. I lost a job during the build, moved house twice, and had a second child. Add to that a 3 hour (each way) commute and general family commitments, it's some wonder it's even driveable now!

I must say though, the about 80% of the build was done in the final 18 months. My blog has detail, but there were many years that the build sat in the garage gathering dust and, oh so many times, did the thought cross my mind that I took on way more than I imagined, it would never be finished, and I should just sell it all.

So glad I persevered! :yes:
 

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Just when I thought I was done ...

When registering in NY I was charged tax on the build - essentially on the chassis and kit parts from FFR and on the engine/transmission I bought in CT from a garage.

When I purchased the kit, which I collected in person, no state taxes were levied. When I bought the engine, also collected in person, I was charged CT state tax.

When paying the NY tax, I commented that I was paying tax twice on the engine. The NY DMV told me I should not have been charged that tax and would have to file a claim with CT State to recover the amount.

This would involve a statement from the garage to the effect that tax was paid by me, which I then use to file with CT. The garage insists that it is NYS DMV at fault in charging me tax on the engine and is telling me to 'stop wasting their time' (their words).

Any tax specialists here who can opine? Am I just destined to paying tax to two states?
 

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Safety Inspection Timeline

Figured I would piggy back in this thread. My inspection is Monday the 17th. Both nervous and excited. This is the first day since . . . I can't remember that I didn't work on the car for hours to get it ready.

My question is, how long after my VIN inspection can I get my safety inspection? I have a local shop that I am very friendly with that I want to do the inspection. But he books out 1-2 weeks and I want to give him a fair heads up. Right now my VIN inspection is Monday and safety is Tuesday. Any reason I can't do this? Do I need to wait on paperwork from the state to do the safety inspection? I leave on vacation Wednesday so in my head I thought I could do VIN Monday, safety Tuesday, registration Wednesday. Then not have to worry about it on vacation!!
 
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