Factory Five Racing Forum banner
1 - 20 of 33 Posts

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Connecticut owners: I'm sure most are aware of my insane vehicle property tax issues in Middletown, CT. CT Owners Beware - Motor Vehicle Assessment Tax Increases! The town served me a 1500% increase on a vintage MKII in 2019, and increased it another 20% in 2020, In both years, I was unsuccessful with appeals.

I examined the ability to get classic plates. I was unsuccessful here as well, with CT DMV stating that even when a replica is 20 years old, it does not quality for classic plates. In CT, when a car is 20 years old, it is eligible for classic plates, and the tax assessment is capped at $500, therefore you annual tax is ~$20.

I gained the attention of a state senator who has now proposed a bill that would amend the general statues to redefine "antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle" to include a replica vehicle: Proposed Bill No. 159

I'm learning the process real time, but would encourage all CT owners to call their reps and senators in support of this bill. Without the classic plate eligibility, we are all exposed to these abusive tax increases.
 

·
FFCobra Fanatic
Joined
·
5,542 Posts
Thanks for the heads up and pursuing this. This taxation is why people register out of state and CT gets no revenue then. In your case it seems to have been more of a power trip than anything else. Too bad it cost you what it did, hopefully this bill goes through for all our sakes.

Mike
 
  • Like
Reactions: Redfish

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Here's the CT Representative, Senator and Congressperson by Town: https://www.cga.ct.gov/asp/content/townlist.asp

Another member suggested a form letter, that we could send. I'm in the process of draft one for forum members to use as a template.
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Here's what I've drafted for a form letter, edit as you feel needed. I've sent an email to SEMA, and plan to reach out to ERA as well.

Reviewing the bill and the statutes, there are certainly nuances on what possibly qualifies for classic plates, so suggest folks take the time to review each. I think at minimum, this bill should allow our cars to be eligible at 20 years, just like any other car.

-----------------------------------------
I am writing to request your support in Connecticut regarding recently proposed bill 159:

Proposed Bill No. 159
AN ACT REDEFINING "ANTIQUE, RARE OR SPECIAL INTEREST MOTOR VEHICLE" TO INCLUDE A REPLICA VEHICLE.

This bill proposes that subdivision (3) of section 14-1 of the general statutes be amended to redefine "antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle” to include a replica vehicle, as defined in the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015, P. L. 114-94.

By amending the general statutes, this bill would allow replica vehicles to be eligible for classic license plate registration. This is important for replica owners in Connecticut, since today, replicas are NEVER eligible for classic plates, and therefore exposed to extremely high annual vehicle property taxes, well above a reasonable assessment. According to state law, "any antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle", shall be assessed at not more than $500. By amending the general statutes, this assessment cap then applies to replica vehicles.

By supporting this bill, you support the interest of automobile collectors and enthusiasts:

  • Replica builders and owners would receive equal eligibility for classic plate registration, similar to any other vintage automobile in CT. Today, replicas are not eligible for classic plates, even when the chassis / frame is 20 years old.
  • Classic plate eligibility provides automotive enthusiasts the ability to proudly display Connecticut classic plates on their vintage replica, reflecting a more ‘period correct’ appearance.
  • By supporting this bill, you support small / manufacturing businesses. We have several replica companies and suppliers in Connecticut and bordering states. Consumers are more likely to purchase replicas and support these businesses knowing that classic plate registration eligibility exists in Connecticut.
  • Since most replicas are categorized as ‘composite vehicle’, Connecticut towns struggle on how to properly assess their value, creating unneeded angst between the town and replica owner. A capped assessment of $500 eliminates this angst.
  • The volume of replica automobiles in CT is very low compared to production cars, therefore any monetary impact to the state in extremely low. However, the benefit to replica owners is significant.
This is of personal interest to me, as I hand-built a Factory Five roadster replica back in the early 2000s with my ‘to-be’ wife at the time. My family has shared many memories together with the car and generated long lasting friendships with fellow owners. After many years of enjoyment, in 2019 the town of Middletown inexplicably raised the annual property tax assessment by 1500%. Despite providing thorough documentation to the assessors and appeal board, the appeal was declined. In 2020, the assessment was raised another 20%. Again, despite providing documentation, the appeal was declined. I have since rid the car from Connecticut, however I remain involved in the hobby and passionately advocate for this bill. Without classic plate registration eligibility, our hobby is at risk to become smaller, and will continue to be exposed to inexplicable, unsustainable annual property taxes in Connecticut.

Please support this bill, and support your Connecticut automotive enthusiast. Please feel free to reach out to me directly to further discuss. Thank you in advance for your support!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
410 Posts
This is incredible work. I'm so glad someone has been taking the charge on this. I am building one as we speak and would very much like to not pay outrageous taxes and fees on this. I'll be sure to follow up on this, as well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Redfish

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Thanks guys. I hoping we found an advocate that will support our hobby.

I stumbled on this 2011 whitepaper, which lists the proponent’s arguments regarding assessment limits on antique vehicles. https://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/rpt/2011-R-0410.htm

I believe some of these are relevant items, and may to add into my letter.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,592 Posts
We have that exemption in NC due to some good work by fans in the state legislature. FFR cars are registered as Antique Autos. Sales tax is 3%. In my case was 3% of the FFR kit + the FORD crate engine & transmission. Annual property tax is based on a maximum value of $500.00 Varies by county, my tax is well under $100.

Tags can be same year as the original car, mine are yellow over black 1965 "COYOTE". No front plate, No annual inspection, No pollution equipment required.

361802


IIRC the DMV fee over & above the normal registration/titling is $40 for the Antique Auto category. You will get a standard NC antique auto plate but you can display your 1965/XX plate as long as you keep the AA plate in the car.

One inspection is required before the car can be titled or registered. The NCDMV Theft Bureau will send an inspector to your house to check your bill of sales against the equipment in the car. Engine, Transmission, Bill of Sales & Certificate of Origin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Redfish

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Kevin - thanks for the thorough post, looks like NC is the benchmark for how our cars should be treated.

Since Connecticut does have provisions for vehicles older than 20 years, this bill (if drafted properly) would give kit / composite / replica vehicles the same read-across as a vintage car.

Also great that you are able to get a plate designating the year of original manufacture.
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
I'll also note for us CT folks, when you are contacting your legislators, I think we should be using the wording of 'kit' and 'composite' along with replica, to ensure that the proposed bill covers all types of replicas.
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 ·
I just emailed my two state senators and reps:

I am writing to request your support regarding recently Proposed Bill No. 159. This bill proposes that subdivision (3) of section 14-1 of the general statutes be amended to redefine "antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle” to include a replica vehicle, as defined in the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015, P. L. 114-94.

By amending the general statutes to include replicas / kit / composite vehicles, this bill would allow these vehicles to be eligible for classic license plate registration. This is important for replicas / kit / composite vehicles owners in Connecticut, since today, these vehicles are NEVER eligible for classic plates, and therefore exposed to extremely high annual vehicle property taxes, well above a reasonable assessment. According to state law, "any antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle", shall be assessed at not more than $500. By amending the general statutes, this assessment cap then applies to these vehicles.

By supporting this bill, you support the interest of automobile collectors and enthusiasts:

  • Replica, kit and composite builders and owners would receive equal eligibility for classic plate registration, similar to any other vintage automobile in CT. Today, these vehicles are not eligible for classic plates, even when the chassis / frame is 20 years old.
  • There are no standards for assessing the value of replica / kit / composite automobiles. Connecticut towns struggle on how to properly assess their value, therefore creating unneeded angst between the town and vehicle owner. A capped assessment of $500 eliminates this angst.
  • The people who build / restore replica, kit and composite cars are primarily middle class, not rich.
  • The volume of replica automobiles in CT is very low compared to production cars, therefore any monetary impact to the state is extremely low. However, the benefit to these vehicle owners is significant.
  • By supporting this bill, you support small / manufacturing businesses. We have several replica companies and suppliers in Connecticut and bordering states. Consumers are more likely to purchase replicas and support these businesses knowing that classic plate registration eligibility exists in Connecticut.
  • Classic plate eligibility provides automotive enthusiasts the ability to proudly display Connecticut classic plates on their vintage vehicle, reflecting a more ‘period correct’ appearance.
This is of personal interest to me, as I hand-built a Factory Five roadster replica kit back in the early 2000s with my ‘to-be’ wife at the time. My family has shared many memories together with the car and generated long lasting friendships with fellow owners. After many years of enjoyment, in 2019 the town of Middletown inexplicably raised the annual property tax assessment by 1500%. Despite providing thorough documentation to the assessors and appeal board, the appeal was declined. In 2020, the assessment was raised another 20%. Again, despite providing documentation, the appeal was declined. I have since rid the car from Connecticut, however I remain involved in the hobby and passionately advocate for this bill. Without classic plate registration eligibility, our hobby is at risk to become smaller, and will continue to be exposed to inexplicable, unsustainable annual property taxes in Connecticut.

Please support this bill, and support your Connecticut automotive enthusiast.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,592 Posts
Kevin - thanks for the thorough post, looks like NC is the benchmark for how our cars should be treated.

Since Connecticut does have provisions for vehicles older than 20 years, this bill (if drafted properly) would give kit / composite / replica vehicles the same read-across as a vintage car.

Also great that you are able to get a plate designating the year of original manufacture.
Keep up the good work & good luck.

Should add all cars over 35 years old are protected under the statue
 
  • Like
Reactions: Redfish

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Just a quick update. Sounds like next step is the Transportation Committee. They will decide whether to draft the bill or schedule for public hearing. As I mentioned above, we should strive for the bill to be inclusive of not only 'replicas', but 'kit' and 'composite' cars in the definitions / amendment.

I did hear back from the SEMA Action Network, who was already aware of the proposed bill, who advised 'they will be sending an alert message to contacts in the state, encouraging outreach to the committee of jurisdiction'. They suggested enlisting in the SEMA Action Network (SAN). I did, others may want to as well: semaSAN.com/Join

No responses yet from my other Middletown senators or reps.

I would encourage folks to share this information on other social media websites as well. Not sure who's on Facebook and Twitter, but can only help!
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #15 ·
A fellow forum member suggested reaching out to the Transportation Committee, so I wanted to provide the link to the committee, click on the ‘Committee Membership’ for the list:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/tra/

I also emailed ERA, Vintage Motorsports and Metal-Morphous the other day.

I’m yet to email Factory Five, but would hope they are already aware via the forum, and social media tags. I do still plan to email them directly, just haven’t gotten there.

With the recent passing of the Act for turn key replicas, I would think Factory Five would have interest in shaping the replica / kit definitions in Connecticut, even possibly gain nomenclature in the CTDMV system.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...ign=2021-01-25

Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...tsa-rulemaking
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Received some initial feedback from one of the Middletown senators. Let's continue to get the word out there!

Thank you for reaching out to Senator Mary Daugherty Abrams office, we have received your message in regards to proposed bill no. 159. Currently, this bill has been referred to the transportation committee, which Senator Abrams sits on. However, this bill has not been debated or discussed for final language, therefore it is difficult for Senator Abrams to speak on it at this moment in time. Nonetheless, once this bill has been written for final language Senator Abrams will take your advocacy and thoughts into consideration when voting.
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #17 ·
I jumped on Current State Legislation | SEMA ACTION NETWORK to see if the bill was officially picked up by SEMA Action Network, and now looks like there are 6 total active bills, including Bill 159, in CT. I would expect SEMA to be sending an alert shortly.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,592 Posts
Just get a summer house in Missouri. Mine is titled as a 1965, my tax for 2020 was $6.77
Whoa, I got ripped on the tax compared to MO, $7.89. Good plan for all the guys in high tax states to look to getting the cars recognized as special builds. Have to be a lot of clubs or cars & coffee groups out there that can get the ball rolling.
 

·
2007 Calendar Cover Car
Joined
·
2,794 Posts
Discussion Starter · #19 ·
We're trying Kevin! I've reached out to the Connecticut Council of Car Clubs in the past, and they've been quite responsive.

While grabbing their web address for this post, I noticed they've picked up on the bill and posted it on their website. I need to read their write up in detail, but suggest if CT (or any owners) have input, please contact John via the email address noted in the write up.

Maybe the CT owners should join their next council meeting.

 
1 - 20 of 33 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top