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Hey Red, Sorry to here you're still fighting this. One other suggestion I could make if you haven't already done so is contact your local selectman or councilman for your district and see if he or she can shed any light on the subject. I suspect the increases you are experiencing originated with them.
Good luck
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Thanks Dave. Yeah, it just sucks. The town has developed quite the scheme. Raise taxes with no justification, stifle the taxpayer‘s voice by only allowing access to one appeal board member, then decline the appeal. The only way for me to contest further is to spend more money on superior court fees.

I haven’t yet, but do plan to reach out to the Middletown Mayor and CT Senators, and some social media sites as well, once as the pandemic news is no longer of interest. Maybe I can get an investigation open through some type of consumer advocate or eye-witness news.

Hopefully I‘m raising awareness to others for when they go through the inspection and registration process. I know there are a lot of FFR owners in CT and others getting kits.

Folks need to weight the risk of paying an annual tax of $1000 per year for a 20-year term, before making the kit investment.
 

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How about going to I-Team investigators on Channel 3 WFSB? They seem to take on these cases with good results. Publicity on the news might just be enough to get some results. Its worth a try and they will do the work for you!!!!

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Mike - that’s exactly what I’m thinking, and may be time to finally join Twitter!
 

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Nice!!! Stick it to em, keep us posted, I am looking forward to seeing your mug on TV when you finally get satisfaction!!!!! Good Luck!

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Hopefully it’s their mugshots! ?️‍♂

Nice!!! Stick it to em, keep us posted, I am looking forward to seeing your mug on TV when you finally get satisfaction!!!!! Good Luck!

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Any Updates??? Inquiring minds want to know!
 

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Hey guys. Minor updates:

I've been unsuccessful in getting the car re-registered as 1965. DMV registration says they go by the year assigned by the inspector, which was 2004. Last conversation over the phone with one of the inspectors is they look at the manufacture date of the frame, not the body style. This contradicts what their website says (and I think SEMA?). It's been suggested I visit the inspector in person, so maybe when they reopen.

I'm very curious when the next few folks go through CT inspection what their FFR is deemed, a 2020 or 1965.

On June 1, I also submitted a letter to the Middletown Mayor on the questionable actions of the tax office. Never heard anything back. Reviewing their budget for 2020, they are hailing the goodness of lowering the mill rate by 0.2%, "on the back of strong grand list growth". Of course it's strong growth, you're raising the assessments, no need to raise the mill rate! Not to mention, seems like the assessor and deputy assessor pull down some decent coin. Not bad for searching NADA and google all day long.


It's that time of year, so we'll see what this year's assessment bill looks like within a few weeks.

The Hartford Courant & I-Team are still in the cards, just waiting for the national drama to settle down.
 

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Math would indicate that for 2019 they decided to assess my 2004 kit car at $47,500. First change in 15 years, in two different towns. No substantiation. Taxation without Justification!

Did you ever find out what the actual value is that they are using to determine the tax?
 

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Hey Carl, will do!

So, for all you CT residents, this is the week you'll likely receive your annual vehicle tax. Mine arrived yesterday.

...now increased the assessment another $8000.

This is apparently their unethical retaliation for me appealing the 2019 assessment. So, despite my phone calls, emails, appeals and full documentation on the value of the kit car and previous precedent on assessments, they again raised it substantially. If this type of retaliation occurred in the private section, they would be fired.
 

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If you guys have 12 minutes, let me know what you think. This was the attempt for a 'second' appeal for last year. I think I-Team / Hartford Courant would be interested:

 

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I had the same issue in Tolland. The assessed value on the Factory Five went up significantly one year. I cant find the old bill to provide specific numbers but it was a significant change.
 

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Does yours continue to be high, or they only spiked it for one year?

I had the same issue in Tolland. The assessed value on the Factory Five went up significantly one year. I cant find the old bill to provide specific numbers but it was a significant change.

I called the assessors office last Monday. Same story as last year, telling me to appeal it. Well, we already know how that’s gonna go. They said that they take an average of all cobra values publicly available, and that’s how they assessed it. Despite all of the documentation I provided over the last year on the value differences between a Factory Five and more expensive brands, they still broad-brushed the assessment using ‘all Cobras’. I guess being 16+ year old kit has no bearing either. Talk about abuse of power and taking advantage of the taxpayer.
 

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Figure I'll provided a bit of an update, and always open to suggestions and advice:

Registration / titling: I think I'm close with getting the car retitled as a 1965. It's been a lot of conversations / communications with forum members, one of the inspectors and the title department. All have been helpful. I'll leave out a lot of the details that got me to this point, but DMV agrees that the title can be corrected to 1965 Composite Cobra, and the registration updated as well.

However, they are saying that composite vehicles do not qualify for Classic plates. This concerns me, since the classic plate is what firmly caps the tax assessment at $500 (vs. the $50,000 they are currently [incorrectly] assessing it at). Without the classic plate, I think the assessors will continue to abuse me, even with a 1965 title. Also, my car is currently registered as a 2004, so would be 20 years old in 2024 (which should then be eligible for classic plates), so should I stick with it as 2004? If I go to a 1965 registration w/o the classic plates, not sure that that means for an assessment. I think they will still use their 'google search' and pick high value, non-representive replicas for the assessment.

Another forum member was titled in CT as a 1965 Cobra Roadster and got classic plates, but I'm told they won't title it like that for me.

Assessment: I appealed the 2020 assessment earlier this week. TBD is approved or declined. I will say that at least this year, the 1-person panel member seems knowledgeable in these cars to an extend, and hopefully I made the case very clear on a 18 year old factory five kit vs. other high end kits. We'll see the result after he reviews it with the other panel members for a decision.

If these paths don't work, not sure what I'm going to do, but I cannot sustain an additional $5000 in vehicle property tax over the next 3 years (or longer!).
 

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with a classic plate it is automatic, but you can still do it without. this is the law.

You asked (1) how the statutes define an “antique vehicle” for purposes of the property tax assessment limit on such vehicles and (2) for a legislative history of the assessment limit law.
SUMMARY
To be subject to the $500 property tax assessment limit, the law requires a vehicle to (1) be at least 20 years old, (2) be of historical interest, and (3) conform to the manufacturer's original specifications.
The assessment limit law was first enacted in 1973. It originally applied only to automobiles that (1) were at least 25 years old, (2) were not used for general transportation, and (3) had special Department of Motor Vehicle (DMV) license plates. Later changes in both the property tax assessment limit law and the law defining the types of vehicles that qualify for the special DMV plates (1) reduced the minimum age from 25 to 20 years old, (2) extended the assessment limit to antique vehicles other than cars, and (3) allowed vehicles used for general transportation to qualify. The last change was made in 2009.
DEFINITION OF ANTIQUE VEHICLE FOR PROPERTY TAX PURPOSES
By law, the value of an “antique, rare, or special interest motor vehicle” for property tax purposes is limited to $500 (CGS § 12-71(b)). To qualify, a vehicle must meet the statutory criteria required for an antique, rare, or special interest vehicle license plate issued by the DMV. Those criteria are that the vehicle (1) be at least 20 years old, (2) be preserved because of historical interest, and (3) not be modified from the original manufacturer's specifications (CGS § 14-1(2)).
A vehicle does not need the special plate to qualify for the $500 limit. But, an assessor can require the owner of an antique vehicle that does not have a special plate to provide reasonable documentation that it meets the statutory criteria for an antique vehicle.
LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF THE ASSESSMENT LIMIT
Original Enactment

The law setting the $500 property tax assessment limit on antique vehicles was enacted in 1973 (PA 73-531). The original law allowed the special tax treatment only for vehicles for which DMV had issued antique vehicle license plates. In 1973, DMV could issue such plates only to automobiles that were (1) manufactured 25 or more years before; (2) restored and maintained for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other public functions; and (3) not used for general transportation.
 
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