[Ozona]

What valve covers are people running with the TFS 351W EFI intake? I've got Edelbrock Victor Jr heads w/ roller rockers.

The cast aluminum ones that came with my engine won't clear without a phenolic spacer. I don't want to run one.. I'll need all the hood clearance I can get.

 

[Darren Buck]

I have the FMS Cobra valve covers (M-6000-F302) on AFR 185 heads and roller rockers. They fit under the intake without the phenolic spacer. One thing to watchout for however is the clearance of the fuel rails. I had to use the spacer with Aeromotive rails.

Darren

 

[Greytracer]

I also have the FMS "Cobra" valve covers on Canfield (Avenger "R") heads. I also milled the upper TFS inake 1/2" where the upper and lower meet so as to clear the hood, the intake is now VERY close to the valve covers. I can take pics if your inrested in the fit.

[edit] vortech rails and poly mounts

Mark

[ December 30, 2002, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: Greytracer ]

 

[Ozona]

Hmm. I have the Aeromotive rails..I'd better mock them up to make sure they fit.

Are you guys using the 351W drop mounts?

 

[gearhead]

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<P ALIGN=CENTER><font color="990000"> Hey Ozona, long time no hear! OK, I must admit that I'm getting worried now. The other day I got all of the final specifications in to Kerri over at FFR. Front spindles are from a 1995, got the 4 into from FFR, bare frame, and picked up all sorts of goodies from POR 15. Dang near spent as much

with POR as I did with FFR. My setup is for a 351W as well (351 stroked to 392). I know that the 351 does have a taller deck height than the 302, but didn't think that it would be a problem as far as hood clearance. It is EFI as is yours, and if I'm understanding you correctly, you and I both will have problems with hood clearance. Did you try the drop motor mounts? Not sure how much they drop the engine, but certainly I don't want to be shaving a half an inch off my intake runners or where the upper plenum meets the lower. Man you're going to have to tell me what you conclusion is, once you've reached on. By the way, I drove out to the PRO in Valpo. Nice place but really small inside. Had everything in stock that I could possibly need or want -- and the owner Jim even threw in a few free items, after he flipped me over and shook out every nickel I had. Nice guy though, and was only an hour drive. Think I'm going to have to take a few trips to Naperville in the near future to see how you shoehorned things in. I'm also worried about hooking up! From the sound of things on the forum, guys with an abundance of power have absolutely no traction until their damn near in third gear! Car with 400, 500 and 600 hp all running the same ET because the more you've got under the hood, the less traction you have in a 2,000 pound car. My mustang donor can run low 11's all day long. I don't want to build a car that can't hook and in the long run -- have a car that's 1,200 pounds lighter than my stang, yet still slower. Good luck with getting things to fit. Let me know what comes of it.........</font color></P></style></font>

 

[Ozona]

It'll fit with the TFS EFI intake. The first one I saw pictures of was Wayne Presley's "Grape Ape."

I'm primarily trying to squeeze 10lbs of "stuff" into a 5 lb bag.

I figure if I worry about packaging now - I won't have to later.

 

[gearhead]

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<P ALIGN=CENTER><font color="990000">Hmmmmmmmmm! That's interesting, because one of my choices for an upper plenum is the Holly SYSTEMAX 351 upper, which I believe has almost the exact configuration as the TFS. I've done some minor research of upper intakes for our 351 EFI's, and here are the numbers thus far:

Cartech = 20+ hp over stock
Cobra Upper = 24+ hp over stock
Edelbrock Performer RPM = 28+ hp over stock
TFS Street upper = 29+ hp over stock
TFS Track & Race upper = 32+ hp over modified
Edelbrock Victor = 35+ hp over modified
Holly 351 EFI = 39+ hp over modified

Test results state that the Holly is the highest flowing intake available and that this powerhouse offers a dynamic full power range because of tapered runner design. It's also ceramic coated and gasket matched. There is another major player in the war of manifolds. Central Coast Mustang offers an intake manifold which looks like a Edelbrock carb manifold with a huge throttle body, aluminum 45 degree elbow which includes mounts for the EFI fuel rails and injectors. Not sure on the numbers for the CCM manifold, but I do know that everyone that running sub 9 second 351 EFI mustangs, has a CCM sitting on top. There's also a lot of clearance with this setup. Happy camping Ozona; not much into on the valve covers I know, but hopefully this will help....
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[Ozona]

Cartech = 20+ hp over stock
Cobra Upper = 24+ hp over stock
Edelbrock Performer RPM = 28+ hp over stock
TFS Street upper = 29+ hp over stock
TFS Track & Race upper = 32+ hp over modified
Edelbrock Victor = 35+ hp over modified
Holly 351 EFI = 39+ hp over modified

Don't buy into all that marketing stuff.

The CCM setup is the same as the EFI spyder by Probe. (FYI)

There's a good article on the power box intakes in Nov 5.0 magazine.

FWIW the italics, red font is hard to read.

[ December 30, 2002, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: Ozona ]

 

[5.8Cobra]

When did Holley release a 351 lower to go with their upper??? I havent seen or even heard of it! I have every copy of MM&FF since the beginning and Super Ford and 5.0 too!! Very interesting though, I have the Systemax Kit on my Mustang and ran 12.40's with it. It would be great to have it on my Cobra too! This changes everything.......Thanks

Later
Mike

 

[gearhead]

The guys over at Excessive Motorsports tell me that you can use a Holly 351 upper on another vendors 351 lower to make it work, but that Holly has it's own 351 lower which will be available in early 2003, and to expect more than 40hp over other modified manifolds.....

 

[Ozona]

*BEWARE* OF EXCESSIVE MOTORSPORTS IN BLUE SPRINGS, MO.

Don't take my word for it, CALL THE MISSOURI BBB.

or GO TO www.corral.net and do a search on "Excessive" and see how many guys they've boned. I did a quick search, I found 172 instances..none of them positive.

Me? I tried to purchase a blower through them for one of my mustangs. It was a COMPLETE and TOTAL fiasco, and Powerdyne had to get involved to get the supercharger to me.

[ December 30, 2002, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Ozona ]

 

[Ozona]

Oh, and the Holley intake is NOT ceramic coated. It has some sort of zinc flash coating or something. It's not terrible - but it's not great. FYI.

 

[gearhead]

Thanks for the heads up Ozona! Yes, in fact this is the same place in which we speak. They told me which lower works with the upper but I forget. Interesting link you sent by the way, very interesting in fact. They were the ones who told me that the intake comes ceramic coated. If you have a Muscle Mustang & Fast Ford magazine (Dec 2002 page 17)handy, you'll even see that they advertise that it comes ceramic coated. What a crock!

 

[Darren Buck]

Ozona,
Were you able to get the upper intake on without hitting the rails? Everything was looking good.. Until I relized the thottle body will hit the hood... Looks like I have some changes to make.

Darren

 

[Ozona]

Darren, are you running the EGR plate?

 

[Darren Buck]

Well, after putting the hood on I don't think I will be able to. I may have to turn the throttle body 90 degrees also.. How about you?

Darren

 

[Ozona]

What you describe is how Wayne Presley fit it on "Grape Ape."

Are you using drop mounts?

 

[Darren Buck]

No Energy suspension Poly mounts. It already sits very low. I have a Mcleod scatter shield and it already sits just below the frame. I am going to put the body on tomorrow and check it out closer. I am just guessing were the hood would sit now. But its close. Only problem I see is how to setup the accelerator cable.

Darren