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Hello Trevor,

Is this the correct part number?

ISSPRO-ISSPRO - Fuel Level Sender 11-Inch, 240-33 Ohm - RA9511-ISS-RA9511-ISS

I have the Factory Five Classic gauges (I think you do to?) with default setting of 240 Ohms Empty and 33 Ohms Full.

According to Dave Boyd for the final location chosen by you the correct depth for our tanks needs to be 11 inches, also according the the manufacture the sender should be compatible with ethanol.

What do you think?

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Hello Trevor,

Is this the correct part number?

ISSPRO-ISSPRO - Fuel Level Sender 11-Inch, 240-33 Ohm - RA9511-ISS-RA9511-ISS

I have the Factory Five Classic gauges (I think you do to?) with default setting of 240 Ohms Empty and 33 Ohms Full.

According to Dave Boyd for the final location chosen by you the correct depth for our tanks needs to be 11 inches, also according the the manufacture the sender should be compatible with ethanol.

What do you think?

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Saul, that is the correct part number. However, it is not E-85 compatible. I found this out yesterday. ATL makes this same style sender but upgraded to work with E-85, Methanol, JP-8, E100, Gasoline, Diesel and just about anything else under the kitchen sink.

11" is the correct depth for how we are configuring the Boyd tank. I spoke to ATL on Friday and they confirmed it is compatible with these fuels. They don't stock an 11" sender. They stock a 10" and a 12". You have to special order the 11". Their standard ohm curve is 240/33 but you can have them calibrate to any of the typical ohm curves out there. I have the same Speedhut gauges as you do and they can either be programed for empty and full or they have several preset curves. The 240/33 curve is built into the gauge as a preset and so I am sticking with that curve for the sender since it's their default.

The closest part number is a KS210-10 which is their 10" version.

Now for the best part. This sender is well over twice the cost of the ISSPro which is more than twice the cost of a typical lever float style. I'm happy to help you open your wallet a little further.

This sender is 1.375" from flange to top versus the ISSPro which is about 1.75" tall. So this give a slightly lower profile to better fit the tank up under the trunk structure supports.

Here's a link to some details on this sender.
http://atlinc.com/pdfs/LevelSender/D...EVELSENDER.pdf

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I run a 12 gallon ATL but you can get a 16 gallon no problem. I went with a 12 gallon because I want to build a rear diffuser without the tank poking through.
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I have contemplated doing that. That is awesome. I thought about doing it also to make on the fly tune adjustments without the headache of having a clumsy laptop in the cockpit.

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Fuel system upgrades

Car is still down so I haven't been able to continue tuning for the E-85 conversion. Waiting for new fuel tank to arrive. In the meantime, pulled out the old tank and prepping the area to accommodate the new Boyd tank.
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Hello Trevor,

Did you make any modifications to the trunk floor such as access panels in anticipation of the new tank? also what guage size wire will you be running for the fuel pump feed?

It looks like you are running the standard Ford IRS 8.8 diff cover, have you had any issues with it?

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Hello Trevor,

Did you make any modifications to the trunk floor such as access panels in anticipation of the new tank? also what guage size wire will you be running for the fuel pump feed?

It looks like you are running the standard Ford IRS 8.8 diff cover, have you had any issues with it?

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I routed the harness wires feeding the rear tail/brake lights through the side aluminum panels up high and to the rear. With the Mustang tank I had these wires routed down underneath the trunk frame structure. However, with the new Boyd tank I think this would cause a pinch point. So I took the harness up as high as I could get it, just under the 3/4" square tube structure for the trunk floor.

I am in the process of welding up the stock access holes with patches. However, I will wait until I get my hands on the new Boyd tank before I cut in new access holes for the pump assembly and the sender.

I am not changing out my fuel pump wiring. I am using the stock Ron Francis feed in the rear harness which is no smaller than 14 AWG but my recollection say it is 12 AWG. I'll measure it tonight. The harness does not feed the Ron Francis fuse box but rather I've bypassed it and is controlled by the Ford Racing Power Distribution Box (PDB) relay & fuse. I think it will be fine especially if it is a 12 AWG feed. I'll double check the wire gauge.

I am running the OEM aluminum IRS 8.8 diff cover. I've had zero issues with it. I bead blasted it and then bead tumbled it for a clean and polished but raw look. As I recall, fitting/installing it in the cage was very tedious and I ground off the rectangular casting extrusions on the dif cover to give the ever so slightest gain in clearance which made a big difference in making install and remove through the cage easier.
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My new Dave Boyd tank was just finished and should be shipping within the next few days. Getting closer to being back on the road and ready for the corn.
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My new Dave Boyd tank was just finished and should be shipping within the next few days. Getting closer to being back on the road and ready for the corn.
Hey that tank looks just like mine! are you sure that one is yours?

Yep, called them earlier today and was told the same thing, the fuel level sender should be in by Wednesday next week.

Still working on Dash and instruments before first start.

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How to: Tuning Procedures

I have been documenting all of the tuning procedures I went through for each of the obstacle/problem areas I encountered when tuning the Coyote on the Infinity. If people are interested, I thought about posting installments of the tuning procedures as a guide that resolved the problem areas I encountered which are highlighted along the way in this thread: To date, these areas include:

DBW Throttle Body
Decel stalling
Backfire on decel from high RPM
Digital input filtering and smoothing
Traction control oscillations
Cold start stalling
Flex Fuel setup

In addition to the tuning procedures for the problem areas, I also encountered a few features that I wanted to program for that really isn't called out specifically in the AEM Infinity manual. These areas include:

Setup a MIL
Setup a USB Data Logging switch
Setup a Valet Mode using a secondary DBW throttle curve

I can't say that others will experience the same issues as I did but a lot of work, my time and assistance/support from AEM went into tackling these hurdles, and it may save others unnecessary headaches and time. Perhaps these procedure docs might be of benefit to others that may encounter similar problems, and I'm more than willing to share if there is interest. If so, I'll post the tuning procedures as attachments in this thread.

Caveat: I now consider myself a novice/hobby tuner on the Infinity. My procedures are geared more around the laymen (me) than the professional tuner who wouldn't care much about my notes anyway.

Trevor

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Yes, please! - primarily interested in the following topics:

DBW Throttle Body
Decel stalling
Backfire on decel from high RPM
Cold start stalling

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I have been documenting all of the tuning procedures I went through for each of the obstacle/problem areas I encountered when tuning the Coyote on the Infinity. If people are interested, I thought about posting installments of the tuning procedures as a guide that resolved the problem areas I encountered which are highlighted along the way in this thread: To date, these areas include:

DBW Throttle Body
Decel stalling
Backfire on decel from high RPM
Digital input filtering and smoothing
Traction control oscillations
Cold start stalling
Flex Fuel setup

I can't say that others will experience the same issues as I did but a lot of work, my time and assistance/support from AEM went into tackling these hurdles, and it may save others unnecessary headaches and time. Perhaps these procedure docs might be of benefit to others that may encounter similar problems, and I'm more than willing to share if there is interest. If so, I'll post the tuning procedures as attachments in this thread.

Caveat: I now consider myself a novice/hobby tuner on the Infinity. My procedures are geared more around the laymen (me) than the professional tuner which wouldn't care much about my notes anyway.

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How to: Tuning Procedures

I just edited my previous post to also include 3 other areas that were not problem areas but really features that I wanted to setup that wasn't really called out in the AEM user's guide. I will add these to library as well for those that might have interest in setting these up.

How to setup:

MIL (light)
Valet Mode switch
USB Data Logging switch
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #1 (DBW TB)

Attached is the first installment (DBW Throttle Body). Props also go to David Borden as we worked through a lot of the learning curve together.

I will start prepping my notes and post additional installments soon.

Update - I updated this post to now include a 2-part video series that accompanies the attached document. This procedure is hard to explain on paper but the YouTube videos (Part 1 & Part 2) should clear up any questions.

Part 1 - DBW/Throttle Body Calibration

Part 2 - DBW Bias % table & PID tuning
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #2 (Decel stalling)

Here is the second installment - Decel Stalling.

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Hakeem,

I answered your questions via PM.

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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #3 (Backfire on Decel from high RPM)

And the third installment - Backfire on Decel from high RPM.
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I answered your questions via PM.

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Thanks, I will start posting here. just a quick question where did you get the Motec DMC-D converter from? I only found it on Ebay Australia and they dont ship to Qatar?

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OK I found it on Page 2 its from https://www.racingsolutions.com

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Thanks, I will start posting here. just a quick question where did you get the Motec DMC-D converter from? I only found it on Ebay Australia and they dont ship to Qatar?

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OK I found it on Page 2 its from https://www.racingsolutions.com
Yep, that's it. MoTeC DMC-D Converter: Wheel Speed - Racing Solutions
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #4 (Cold Start Stalling)

The fourth installment - Cold Start stalling
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #5 (Digital Input Filtering & Smoothing)

The fifth installment - Digital Input Filtering and Smoothing
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #6 (Traction Control Oscillations)

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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #7 (Flex Fuel setup)

The seventh installment - Flex Fuel setup
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Hi,

Hope u are doing good. I have a question please. Regarding the Dakota digital module, which signal did u use to send to ECU?

I have digital Dakota instruments and it has a speed out that can send 2k or 4K ppm for ECU. So thought maybe I might save some money and not buy the module u have ?

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Hope u are doing good. I have a question please. Regarding the Dakota digital module, which signal did u use to send to ECU?

I have digital Dakota instruments and it has a speed out that can send 2k or 4K ppm for ECU. So thought maybe I might save some money and not buy the module u have ?

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So you would feed the speed sensor input to the Dakota Digital Speedo gauge. Then use the speed out that you are indicating and feed it into the ECU providing this speed out from the instrument is a digital signal (I would assume that it is). I wouldn't worry too much about the pulse signal rates. The Infinity can calibrate it on the ECU side to match.

I would agree that you do not need a module I have to make this work.
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #8 (MIL Setup)

The Eighth installment - MIL Setup. aka "Check Engine Light"
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #9 (USB Logging Switch)

The ninth installment - USB Logging Switch
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How To: Tuning Procedures - Installment #10 (Valet Mode)

The tenth installment - Valet Mode switch

This concludes my "How-To" DIY documents for the Infinity. I hope someone finds this information useful, either now or down the road.

I'm hoping someone forges ahead on some of the other features that I haven't explored and shares with the rest of us. E.g. Boost control (Saul, hint, hint), ITB tuning (Mark G - hint, hint), launch control, shift cut, etc.

Still so much more to learn and explore.

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New Tank Installed

Almost back to working on my E-85 tuning. I have pretty much wrapped up the install on my new, custom Boyd fuel tank. It's awesome. Here are a few pics. I'll spend the next couple of weeks finalizing the Gasoline VE tuning with the new injectors (this all assumes the tank fixed my cavitation issues, which I'm sure it has) and then back to a first run with E-85.

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