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Inspection - FAILED!

Aaarrrgghhh!!!!!! I went to get my roadster inspected and was handed a shock! I only had a few minor 'tweeks' and one BIG tweek. It seems that a few months ago, our powers to be up here changed the ruling on side pipes due to complaints from stupid people putting their skin on hot pipes - like I did last week. (Only 2nd degree but thanks for asking). Now we have to have heat shields on them. I was thinking of getting some next year but not at inspection! Who handles these items?


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Agreed. Drummer Mike makes excellent heat shields. Comes with all the hardware you need, plus he'll even polish them to match your pipes.


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That's what I am hearing. Sent him an email.

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I had DrummerMikes on mine before I switched to UTC exhaust. They were excellent quality, you won’t be disappointed.

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Just for comparison, look at PTP Turboblankets.

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I used perforated shields from Finishline accessories, and 2 inch exhaust wrap to shield the 4 into 1 section. I held the wrap in place with a stainless steel cable tie at each end. Once I had passed inspection I removed the wrap by simply cutting the ties and unwrapping it, no need to remove the exhaust. I left the shield in place as it is effective and I can live with the look. Oddly our inspectors did not seem to care about the exhaust tip being covered. I am guessing it is because the tips of most exhausts are exposed.

Don't leave the wrap in place for more than a week or so otherwise it will discolour the exhaust.

Once our cars have been inspected they are heavily photographed from the exterior, to the engine bay, to the interior. Our local police have access to these photographs so that they can compare the car to the images at a roadside stop or car event. It is pretty quick for me to put the exhaust wrap back on if I need to.

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Here you go: https://www.finishlineaccessories.co...ds-chrome.aspx

I like the look of these over the others being suggested here. I think it matches the look of the era, with the corvette's having something similar. Just my opinion of course...

Good luck with the re-inspection!

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Well if that isn't a letdown..

So that is a new regulation, that I had no idea existed. Could it be some designated inspection shops are aware of this, and some are not?
Maybe some hardware cloth, cut to taper at either end, and a couple large hose clamps, will be enough to get you passed? Just pull them off when you get home.
What were the smaller tweaks? Other new regulations? Do you just have to meet those needs, and your good to go, or do they do a complete inspection again?
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Well if that isn't a letdown..

So that is a new regulation, that I had no idea existed. Could it be some designated inspection shops are aware of this, and some are not?
Maybe some hardware cloth, cut to taper at either end, and a couple large hose clamps, will be enough to get you passed? Just pull them off when you get home.
What were the smaller tweaks? Other new regulations? Do you just have to meet those needs, and your good to go, or do they do a complete inspection again?
Hi Bill,
The ruling is only a few months old, apparently. Not going the cloth route as I was meaning to get shields one day anyway and my latest 'bite' is starting to heal nicely.
The smaller tweeks were incidentals not related to new rulings. I had a spacer that was a bit too small on the panhard bar and a couple of similar stuff. These guys I use are very particular and precise but then, on the other hand, I know the car is fully safe.
Do not need another complete inspection. Once it is ready I take it to them, they check the items that were not correct and they slap on the vin. They figured 1/2 hour.
Got my car weighed yesterday. This Mk 4 weighs in at 1100 Kg and my previous Mk 3.1 was 975 kg. That's a lot of difference. First time on the freeway with it. Nervous? Oh yeah. Still getting to know the car. But it performed beautifully. Couldn't believe the response when travelling at 95Km in 4th and hitting the gas to pass. Wonderful and scary.
One other thing, I have never had a vehicle with such a tight cooling system. I can go for a ride and leave the car for two days and the cooling system is still holding pressure.


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Aaarrrgghhh!!!!!! I went to get my roadster inspected and was handed a shock! I only had a few minor 'tweeks' and one BIG tweek. It seems that a few months ago, our powers to be up here changed the ruling on side pipes due to complaints from stupid people putting their skin on hot pipes - like I did last week. (Only 2nd degree but thanks for asking). Now we have to have heat shields on them. I was thinking of getting some next year but not at inspection! Who handles these items?
REALLY ? In 4 years I've Never had anyone burned by side-pipes
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You're the only one I've ever heard from whereby nobody got burned by sidepipes.
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You're the only one I've ever heard from whereby nobody got burned by sidepipes.
apparently in the forum, it has been suggested that not being burned or pipes not getting hot enough to burn is a timing issue. The engine is not performing at its best.

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Pix. don't lie.....The siding on my home(that my hand is touching) gets hotter than the ends of the tailpipes.
And yes thank you,the engine IS 'Tuned ' lol ....What I think the difference is , those shiny chromed pipes Hold & Radiate MORE heat than the 'black ' pipes.
Pipes Coming out the body U would burn yourself as shown in Pix.But that's FAR from the door.
Last pix. End of the pipe ,under the door.
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Pix don't lie, but infrared thermometers tend to. I found I sometimes got strange readings with mine. I finally gave in and read the manual. It mentions that you will get artificially low readings from reflective surfaces including stainless steel and gloss finishes. I did some testing and definitely found wildly different readings between matt and shiny surfaces that were at the same temperature. To check if yours is affected measure (with the engine running) a radiator hose and then an adjacent shiny cooling system component. with coolant passing through both items should be at pretty much the same reference temperature.

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The issue I've seen isn't the tip or the collector tubes. It's the body of the pipe itself which is somewhere between the two temperature extremes.

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Got my car weighed yesterday. This Mk 4 weighs in at 1100 Kg and my previous Mk 3.1 was 975 kg. That's a lot of difference. .
So Daryl, the new car weighed in at 2420 lbs? What do you attribute the additional 200+ lbs of weight to?

My 3.1 with both front, and rear, full hoop bumpers, heater, wipers, foot-box cooler squirrel cage fan, 1/2 a tank of fuel, and passenger roll bar, weighed in at 2260 lbs. I figured that was a tad on the heavy side for a roadster.
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One other thing, I have never had a vehicle with such a tight cooling system. I can go for a ride and leave the car for two days and the cooling system is still holding pressure.
Very interesting comment. Shouldn't the system return to the atmospheric pressure once the system cools to ambient temperature? If it is not...something doesn't sound right. Unless you are running a pre-pressurized system, which I have never heard of on a street car, your system is not working correctly. I would say that your radiator cap is not functioning properly, but even that should not cause PRESSURE at ambient temperature. You could have multiple issues.
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Here’s a picture of mine with the Finishline heat shields installed. If I remember correctly, I had to modify one of the mounting brackets on each side to fit. They barely get warm to the touch unless you’re idling around town, and even then, not hot enough to cause discomfort when touched.

On a separate note, I agree with the previous post about your cooling system. Somethings not quite right.

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Heat Shields

I too have Drummer Mike's shields. I got a set of steel ones which I then had ceramic coated to match my pipes. They do a little bit to protect but not that much. If you burn your leg on a heat shield it still hurts like hell and will leave a permanent scar. I have trained myself to always warn passengers to watch the pipe when getting in our out of the car. I even have made a little tune to go with the music of "Danny Boy" The pipe, the pipes are burnin. Watch out. I burned my leg my first year, yes even with covers and still have the scar to prove it.


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The perforated shields I use from Finishline run very cool. I can reach down and put my hands on them directly after stopping, even with the engine running.
I attribute this to the slots allowing a decent air flow, but importantly, because of the slots there is less metal to hold heat or transfer it to your body.
Last of all mine are ceramic coated. I don't know if that contributes.

Possibly all 3 of my guesses are a factor. Ultimately no-one gets burnt, so happy days 🙂

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Very interesting comment. Shouldn't the system return to the atmospheric pressure once the system cools to ambient temperature? If it is not...something doesn't sound right. Unless you are running a pre-pressurized system, which I have never heard of on a street car, your system is not working correctly. I would say that your radiator cap is not functioning properly, but even that should not cause PRESSURE at ambient temperature. You could have multiple issues.
Yes, I would have thought so but it holds pressure - not full running, warmed up pressure but enough to let you know it is there.
I had a problem of blowing a lower hose a while ago and went through the burping issue to rid the air. It drew from the overflow tank easily enough and I have no problems, when running, with the cooling system. It stays at 80*C to 85*C consistently.

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My thoughts are that it can only be the radiator cap. That is what regulates pressure in the cooling system. Non return caps sometimes have a side effect of leaving residual pressure when system is cool. Perhaps try a different cap. On the upside, your cooling system must be leak-free 🙂.
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