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Cobra title/registration in Kansas

Anyone have experience transferring a Cobra from Kansas to another state? I live in PA and looking at a Cobra in KS and concerned with title transfer. PA is a bit more strict than KS and I'm hoping to avoid weeks or months of registration hell. The car Im looking at is currently registered as "2015 - 1965 Cobra Replica" and there is no title. Is it true Kansas doesn't provide titles for these types of builds?

Anyone have experience in selling your car out of KS or buying one out of KS? If so, what type of paperwork does KS provide for transferring the car out of state?

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Currently registered and no title are kind of negating terms, can't have one without the other. Kansas does title, they are pretty thorough in their inspection.

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I brought mine into KS. I had the OK title, they vin inspected it and verified it through Factory Five. I ended up with a 2011 MFG title. It was a little odd and a pain in the ass but it is titled but as a manufactured car in the year finished. If you want more info pm me. KS in a pain in the ass and does do things different but they are thorough and try to look out for you as best they can. But they also loose a lot to neighboring states because of the registering process.

I'm registered in Sedgwick County and inspected by the state Patrol. Where is the car located? That may make a difference also.
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I brought mine into KS. I had the OK title, they vin inspected it and verified it through Factory Five. I ended up with a 2011 MFG title. It was a little odd and a pain in the ass but it is titled but as a manufactured car in the year finished. If you want more info pm me. KS in a pain in the ass and does do things different but they are thorough and try to look out for you as best they can. But they also loose a lot to neighboring states because of the registering process.

I'm registered in Sedgwick County and inspected by the state Patrol. Where is the car located? That may make a difference also.
Ditto this. I brought one in and even the title stated '65 they titled it the year it was finished. That was a bunch of BS. Mine was done in Olathe.
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Anyone have experience transferring a Cobra from Kansas to another state? I live in PA and looking at a Cobra in KS and concerned with title transfer. PA is a bit more strict than KS and I'm hoping to avoid weeks or months of registration hell. The car Im looking at is currently registered as "2015 - 1965 Cobra Replica" and there is no title. Is it true Kansas doesn't provide titles for these types of builds?

Anyone have experience in selling your car out of KS or buying one out of KS? If so, what type of paperwork does KS provide for transferring the car out of state?

Thanks in advance,
Chris
As I stated earlier, it depends on exactly (100% verbatim) how the current title reads, and if they used a state issued VIN, or the VIN supplied by BDR.

If a Kansas state issued VIN, PA will title the car as the current title reads and you will be responsible for all local/county inspections. You will not be able to title as a special constructed, or at least as of 2 years ago, you could not, and forget about collectors resgistrations.

if issued a Kansas title with the BDR VIN, you should be able to retitle under the PA "Special Construction" title/registration process. This is the best way to go in PA for any kit car (Yes, a BDR is a kit car, same as a new CSX6000 series)..........

As stated numerous times, attempts to get get a title like the Kansas title redone as a "vintage" anything will earn you an anal probing by the PA State Police, who are not as stupid or naive as you might want to think and have seen and heard it all long before you even thought to purchase your car.

Wyoming titles/registrations, Alabama title houses, etc, have all been found out by the MVS in Harrisburg. Before attempting to circumnavigate the "Special Construction" title procedure, ask yourself if you can afford to watch your car impounded and crushed, think long and hard on this one.

Yes, really.

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Chris,

Now to put it into further perspective as your initial post above is not quite what you posted on Club Cobra:

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Bill,

We have seen New York State looking VERY hard at cars coming in with Montana titles, especially cars from Montana LLCs....you know, the ones you set up for $500 via an agent in MT. so you save the $5000 plus in sales tax? There were more Ferraris registered per capita in Montana last year than any other state. Do you REALLY think any of those cars were EVER actually in Montana? The DMVs in other states are not stupid and as has been proven they even monitor this website. In NYS it is all about the sales tax and they are not gonna miss out on thousands of revenue dollars!
Yup, NYS, Kansas, NJ, PA, California and more have all shown they read sites such as ours. In PA I actually had someone from the PA MVS/DMV in Harrisburg and the owner of a car coming in to the state reach out to me asking about a car being registered as a "1965" back in 2011 (the VIN was not state issued and appeared to be made up randomly) because they could not get an specific answer from another states MVS office (Idaho if I remember correctly)..Of course the person calling had been out to see me about one of mine, so knew I should be able to respond...Took me a few days to track down the information, and the title process was put on hold and then switched from "Antique to "Special Registration" and was finished rather quickly. Owner still happily driving the car today.



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Bill, thanks for the additional input, I completely respect your experience and opinion. I almost PM'd you today to see if you had time for a call and a few questions on this as I got more info from the dealer helping sell it. The PA titling process you helped us understand completely makes sense and I'm not questoining it. In fact, my questions here are to help support the process you explained.

My question on this thread for the local folks in Kansas is more around the KS paperwork. I'm being told the owner doesn't have a title because KS handles these cars differently than PA and I'll only get a title after the sale is executed via Bill of Sale. Based on my experience buying cars and transferring to PA, as well as your input, I'm only trying to understand what kind of paperwork I can get from the KS seller and KS DMV. Based on the challenges in understanding this specific car, the seller, the registration/paperwork, etc. I'm ready to throw the towel in and just keep shopping. It's just a bummer, it's exactly what I've been searching for and it's being sold via a reputable BDR dealer... just been difficult to work through the process and get the detals.
Bullschit!!!!! Kansas is not difficult state to title a kit car in, as long as you follow the rules and regulations.

First of course is taxes, and Kansas has their own specific form(s) for this

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Page 48,49, and the top of page 50 to be specific

In the case of the car you are looking at, it sounds like the original owner decided to not pay the initial taxes on the car, nor any annual taxes on the car, most likely borrowing or renting a used car dealer tag.

NOW, if that is the case, I'd be asking about the original MSO/MCO for the car and not just a notarized bill of sale for the car. As both must now be dully signed off on and notarized. Is the seller (not the dealer) the original owner? If not, and the original MSO/MCO is floating around with the original owner, then you may end up on the short end of a stick one day when the original owner decides to take his MSO/MCO and either report the car stolen, or title something else with it. Doesn't sound plausible, look up the term "air car" + "Cobra"..........

You now have some additional homework to do on the car that must be pulling at your heartstrings at a price "too good to pass up", even with the dealer added value (consignment sales shops always add to the actual price the seller wants).

Again, hope you find this helpful.

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^^^^^ agreed, Kansas maybe a pain in the arse to get a title in but you can do it. There is a secondary process that you may have to go through here in KS to get it done and it's with a lawyer, in which you end forcing the state to title it. That is why people will register them in the neighboring states. But Kansas has somewhat finally figured out how much tax revenue they were loosing so have made the process a little easier. You just have to follow the paperwork when registering.

If the seller is stating he doesn't have a title, walk away. If it is to good to be true then it usually is. The car should come to you with a title period.

They also used the FF5 vin on mine, they did not have to make one up. The only other thing to add is the on the taxes. I did not build mine I bought so the sale price is what the car was taxed off of.
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I had my FFR inspected, registered, and titled last year. My serial number from FFR is also my Vin. It was a new build. I was inspected by the Ks Highway Patrol. The inspector looked for the certificate of origin that was provided by Factory Five. He also looked at my receipts for the kit, engine, and transmission. If the car you are looking at has no title, WALK AWAY. After reading about some other states registration process Kansas has to be in the top five easiest states to register a FFR. Where abouts in Ks is the car you are considering to purchase?

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