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Converting to automatic

We are contemplating changing the transmission to an automatic in Miranda's Carriage. Would you guys mind sharing what we can expect in doing this swap?

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No more fun shifting and about $5-10k reduction in the value of the car.

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I have a roadster with a manual and one with an automatic. I like them both and both have their place.

Check the width of the transmission you are considering to make sure it fits in the tunnel. Also get some good advice on which stall converter to install considering what engine you have, the weight of the car and the type of driving you want to do.

Regarding the value, I'm not sure the previous comment is accurate.

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You'll need a different bell housing, different drive shaft, different gears in rear end, need to fabricate shifter linkage, different spedo cable, and possibly a different starter. Oh yeah, maybe trannie mounts. Doable. Might even be fun....

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I had an AOD behind a 306 in my MKII, you'll need a new flywheel with the bell housing and starter, the driveshaft for an AOD is the same length as for some of the manual trans. I had to shorten mine to 10.5". Rear gears are use dependent, I started with 3.27 and changed to 3.73. As for the value - the most expensive Cobra ever sold was an Automatic. A little more info would be helpful, version of your FFR, type trans your looking at, i.e. AOD, AODE and your intended uses. I'm sure more will chime in with more info.

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add flexplate and different backer plate. I don't think that is the actual name but its the plate that goes between the block and tranny

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I think it's a good idea. If it's what you want, then it's a good choice. Especially if it has a nice firm shift kit installed. Don't forget about the Trans cooler.
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Thanks. Still thinking it over. Not worried about value at all. Car will never be sold. Appreciate the comments. Please keep them coming.

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To perform an AOD swap you'll be looking at these items at a minimum Preston...

Trans cooler
Cooler lines
Block plate for AOD (that's the plate between block and trans Cobra Dreaming)
164-tooth flexplate (NOT a flywheel) that is balanced for your engine (331 should be 28 oz)
Transmission with torque converter
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AOD wiring pigtail for NSS (to ensure it starts in P and N only if you care and for backup lights if it has it)
Shifter assembly for trans tunnel with either rod or cable actuated linkage. You can use a stock '66 Mustang C4 shifter (period look like what Carroll did) or use an aftermarket shifter. Since the AOD does not have a 2nd gear detent any three-speed shifter will work (AOD is 1-3-OD on the detents).
Lokar throttle valve cable retrofit for the throttle body/carb so it will shift right.

Of course this is all assuming you want the AOD for the overdrive. You can do the same thing with a C4 three-speed for a little cheaper and the list will be the same except you won't need the throttle valve cable connection and the flexplate and block plate would be for the smaller 157-tooth setup of the C4.

Oh, and don't forget to remove the manual trans pilot bushing in the crankshaft end too!

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The first transmission I had in my roadster was an AOD. I hated it. Swapped in a 4R70W. Loved it! Biggest addition required for a 4R70W is a transmission controller.

BBQLover - I sold my auto equipped roadster for $45K, and shifting with the paddle shifters was a lot of fun and the shifts were almost instant.

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I have an auto in mine and love it, no regrets in switching.

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The first transmission I had in my roadster was an AOD. I hated it. Swapped in a 4R70W. Loved it! Biggest addition required for a 4R70W is a transmission controller.

BBQLover - I sold my auto equipped roadster for $45K, and shifting with the paddle shifters was a lot of fun and the shifts were almost instant.

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I'll admit that I have never considered an auto trans in a roadster...until I just read "paddle shifters," Pete! I'm intrigued by the idea. I'm not yet sure it's a match for me just, but it's definitely something to think about. (Like there wasn't enough already! ) Any downsides that you experienced?

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I'll admit that I have never considered an auto trans in a roadster...until I just read "paddle shifters," Pete! I'm intrigued by the idea. I'm not yet sure it's a match for me just, but it's definitely something to think about. (Like there wasn't enough already! ) Any downsides that you experienced?

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The only downside was snarky people who think a roadster has to have a manual. In addition to the paddle shifters, I had a ratchet shifter, but I modified it to look like a manual. It was entertaining watching people at car shows trying to figure out what the buttons on the steering wheel were for and where's the clutch pedal?



I just had small buttons on the steering wheel for shifting, but there are several companies who make paddles: Shrifter® Paddle Shifter: Universal (Ford, Mopar, Nissan, etc.) Shrifter® Paddle Shifter Universal Fit [10063] - $559.00 : Twist Machine, Paddle Shifters, Billet Accessories, Hot Rod Supply

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I've had an automatic since day one. Just recently covered up the plain mustang shifter with a more appropriate shifter cover..

With the limited foot room in my MKI, I'm glad I went with the auto



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I have an AOD in my cobra and I'm really not sure you'll need a trans cooler. I do have mine running in the standard opening that would normally house the oil cooler. I can run my roadster all day and rarely see temps over 130*. I've heard that the cooler the transmission the longer it'll run, but I'm not really sure it's going to make a measurable difference over the miles that we typically run.

Having a transmission cooler seems like safe insurance, but I doubt we really *need* it for such a light car and minimal miles. Just my 2 cents.

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This is from one of my other threads, it may be of some help. As for owning a roadster with an automatic, I think its great. My AOD has been lighlty modified with some stronger elements and a manual/auto valve body. I have a ratchet shifter which lets me control the shift points if I want to or not. If I recall my torque converter stall is at 2400 (I think...). It shifts almost instantly.

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I only mentioned the trans cooler, as the FFR radiator does not come with a trans cooler loop in it. If the donor radiator is being used, then by all means plumb the cooler lines through it, but for the FFR aluminum you'll need an external cooler...

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I made the switch from T 5 to AOD this year after thinking about it for two years. I absolutely love it. One of the main things I like is all the room in the footbox with the pedal out of the way.

I had to do a lot of the stuff mentioned above. I did install a cooler. I have Tangent's light kit in the lower opening but mounted the cooler behind it. I still need to install a gauge.

I had to re-do the transmission cover since the shifter is way further forward.

I kept all the T5 stuff, including the tranny cover so a guy could switch back easy.

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You'll need a different bell housing, different drive shaft, different gears in rear end, need to fabricate shifter linkage, different spedo cable, and possibly a different starter. Oh yeah, maybe trannie mounts. Doable. Might even be fun....
If you use an AOD you can use the same drive shaft, rear end gears and speedo cable. There are many example of mods necessary to the tranny mount on this forum, basically the mount frame needs to be widened to clear the trans pan. Shifter linkage can be purchased from Lokar. There are some tabs that need to be ground off of the AOD case. You'll need an oil cooler. It's a tight fit for the cooler lines in the trans tunnel, I bought some stock lines for an AOD fox mustang and made little bends to to make them fit. You will need a Lokar TV cable kit and adjsut it properly to make the trans shift properly and have a long and happy life. You will need a new flexplate. I don't know if starters are interchangeable.

And regarding one of the previous comments, if I cared what the car was worth I would have bought a classic something or other. Build you car so you can enjoy it.

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Finally ready to do this. I have a mark 2 roadster. Appreciate all your thoughts and comments.

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I have a roadster with a manual and one with an automatic. I like them both and both have their place.

Regarding the value, I'm not sure the previous comment is accurate.
I'm not trying to be smart...but I didn't think it was accurate either, I was thinking $10-$15,000. Not only that, but the amount of people in the Cobra market...very small! The amount of people in the automatic Cobra market...even smaller! it's not a car I'd want to own if I had any type of resale value in mind.

I simply couldn't get around that it would actually cost me to devalue my vehicle!
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I'm not trying to be smart...but I didn't think it was accurate either, I was thinking $10-$15,000. Not only that, but the amount of people in the Cobra market...very small! The amount of people in the automatic Cobra market...even smaller! it's not a car I'd want to own if I had any type of resale value in mind.

I simply couldn't get around that it would actually cost me to devalue my vehicle!
As posted before in this OLD thread....The Cobra that fetched THE highest price EVER, Had a Automatic
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Just to clarify .We are talking about a "Paddle Shift"....
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I'm not trying to be smart...but I didn't think it was accurate either, I was thinking $10-$15,000. Not only that, but the amount of people in the Cobra market...very small! The amount of people in the automatic Cobra market...even smaller! it's not a car I'd want to own if I had any type of resale value in mind.

I simply couldn't get around that it would actually cost me to devalue my vehicle!
As posted before in this OLD thread....The Cobra that fetched THE highest price EVER, Had a Automatic<img src="https://www.ffcars.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
You’re not referring to csx2000 are you?
It fetched the highest price ever.
It is manual.
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It fetched the highest price ever.
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