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post #121 of 154 (permalink) Old 10-16-2010, 07:31 PM
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How did these exhausts satisfy the SVA/IVA tests

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The new test is much tougher. I'm not sure how 400hp will get through today, but I can tell you that the conversations I've had with an engine builder over here has been 95% around emissions and volume.

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I had the same problem. could not drive the car for more than half hour and my ears would ring. I did a search and install the lobak mufflers I don't remember the guys name at lobak but he recomended the 26 inch mufflers and it made a huge difference in sound.
they are not as expensive as one would think and any muffler shop could weldem for you.

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I had the same problem. could not drive the car for more than half hour and my ears would ring. I did a search and install the lobak mufflers I don't remember the guys name at lobak but he recomended the 26 inch mufflers and it made a huge difference in sound.
they are not as expensive as one would think and any muffler shop could weld them for you.

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Did the Oldtop method and am happy with it. Surprisingly easy


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I went with Lobaks as well but also inserted Vortex cones from Summit Racing in the collector. In fact, the Vortex cones may be able to be installed in downturn pipe of completed pipes. Securing it may be difficult.

With Loback and vortex cones, I still wear ear plugs for long runs. The wind buffet can really be a pain.

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Car Chemistry does not make the Zoomie inserts to fit 1.5" ID pipes like the BBK's that came with my 3.1 complete kit. I talked to them yesterday and they believe it is possible to do and still achieve 10db sound reduction and minimal HP loss. So I ordered a set of 8 for $199 that will fit the BBK pipes. They will use a 1.2" core with high temp fiberglass packing around them.

I'll post some pictures of them when I get them installed and sound level results before and after.

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Dave,

Which inserts did you end up purchasing? They list the zoomies according to the "OD" of the pipe, but to me that seems a bit vague. I also have the BBK headers. I'm away from the shop this week so I don't have access to my headers to measure them.

Do you have any sound quality/volume reports for us?

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I tried the Vortext cones. Not much difference and had a bit of VW whine to it.

I got the 4 disc CC Inserts and like them a lot. It's still loud but it's about like other loud cars now. No more setting off alarms from 50 yards, now it's more like 50 feet.

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I'm 56. Just last Christmas I invested in a $3800 pair of Oticon hearing aids. Never been in military, heavy industry, or unprotected sport shooting. Hearing loss is a very, very serious issue. Do whatever you have to do. But I am convinced a lot of seat time in an open car such as ours can injure your hearing from the wind noise alone. You need to find an acceptable way to protect your hearing...

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After fiddling with the home depot quick fix offered by oldtop, it was OK but really not what I would want to live with as a permanent thing...so after completeing some "honey-do" lists last month I got on the good side of my better half and ordered the Gas-N pipes from Georgie. WOW...totally new sound, deep and rumbly, almost sounds like an "under the car" muffler and very pleasant to drive around town with now. Yes, Cobras are meant to be loud but if you drive it more than a couple times a week the noise gets old and does damage you. Fixing the wind noise is easy, stuff some plugs in your canals or stay off the freeway...

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If you want a true high temp silicone.......
go to a real builder supply(White Cap) or an H Vac supply OR a fireplace supply .
When I built my home I had to buy these special types to seal many spots ordered by the city inspector.
Some go up to 1200 degrees

The higher the better , it won't break down
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The Breeze quiet pipes are the quietest pipes out there, bar none. I've had everything from loudest, to Breeze with almost 80K miles. They are the quietest and will never change their tone. You will not go wrong with investing in anything from Mark at Breeze.
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2X on the Breeze Quiet Pipes. See my "lab testing" review somewhere in this forum.
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2X on the Breeze Quiet Pipes. See my "lab testing" review somewhere in this forum.
Here it is:
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Dave,

Which inserts did you end up purchasing? They list the zoomies according to the "OD" of the pipe, but to me that seems a bit vague. I also have the BBK headers. I'm away from the shop this week so I don't have access to my headers to measure them.

Do you have any sound quality/volume reports for us?

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You have to call CC and talk to Ken, it is not listed as a standard product. I would reccomend measuring the ID on all 8 of your pipes after removing the excess weld material and giving those numbers to Ken. I had to tweak my inserts since I only measured one pipe and gave him that number. I also reccommended he turn the finished welded assy in a lathe to get the 3 sections to appear as one cylinder. They are welded slightly off so the apparent diameter of the welded assembly is bigger. I sent Ken at CC all this info a while back so you should have less or no problems getting them to fit, I was the guiney pig with BBK headers.

Here were the numbers I posted several months ago sitting in the driveway:

900 RPM IDLE:
Before - 92 dbA
With Zoomie inserts - 82 dbA

3000 RPM no load:
Before - 103 dbA
After - 95 dbA

I think the sound quality improved, but it is so subjective.

My body is at SRP right now, hope to be licensed and on the road late Dec, then I can take some readings under power from the Driver seat and side of the road.

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Outstanding info - thanks Dave! I'll talk to Ken.

Cheers!

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900 RPM IDLE:
Before - 92 dbA
With Zoomie inserts - 82 dbA

3000 RPM no load:
Before - 103 dbA
After - 95 dbA
As a reference, OSHA requires hearing protection when sound levels exceed 85db.

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Sorry, didn't spot your post!

For the SVA, we welded a bead around the edge of the standard FFR sidepipes, so there was no sharp edge.

Then I stuffed three balls of steel wool up each sidepipe and made an aluminium plate with a few holes drillled in it and wedged it in the sidepipe to stop the wool being blasted out!

No problem at all!

For some reason on the way home all the wool fell out!!

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Thanks Ian,
I have just read the IVA down load and Kit Car mag sections. Collecting all tips on noise suppression and firmly fixed on a pre-75 stroker engine.

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Oldtop exhaust silencing question

I am going the route that Oldtop took. Can anyone tell me where to get the 2" pipe insulation? Home Depot did not have any. Oldtop says that it is 2" fiberglass pipe insulation - 2 3/8" ID, 3 1/4 od. I assume it comes preshaped and I just cut it to length? Has anyone gone the Oldtop route? are you happy?

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i just read this entire thing. very interesting. i'm tired of my loud exhaust too. i wear custom earplugs, and they help a lot. but there is still sound from the vibration. my ears still ring after every drive. not good.

i will reference this post when i try to tame down the exhaust pipes, lots of good info here.

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Here's what worked for me - very happy with the results

Not a fan of loudness here : )

I was concerned about putting anything in the path of the exhaust flow and causing a restriction.

I removed the 22" long 2.5" inside diameter glasspacks and replaced them with 30" long 3" inside diameter glasspacks (both were 4" outside diameter). I shortened the tips. The overall length is a couple inches longer.

Here are a couple pics before going to coating (coated black now).

I can hear myself think now. My fiance actually gets in the car now, she wouldn't before because of the noise.

Full throttle, yes it gets loud but cruising is wonderful.

I've been hammering on it with several passes at the track and they haven't blown out.

I'm putting 520whp through these (c4, 585whp with the tko)

The glasspacks were cheap at either $65 or $80 each, can't rememeber. The more expensive part was the welding ($200) and coating ($300)

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When you stuff material into your exhaust you lose HP. Air in and air (almost) out. OldTop lives next door to me and says noise is less,and so is HP. I did similar mods and made pipes quieter but I could really feel drop in HP so I pulled out the insulation. Undercar exhaust is best compromise and no "snake bites"
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My under the car solution pretty much open 2 1/2 pipe all the way. Magnaflow X muffler and 2 - 18" sweet thunders under the floor panels. The meter never went above 90dB 10 foot away.

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I hear Turbos quite the exhaust some... . Not sure but I think so...

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Oldtop's way does quiet down the exhaust. It is very noticeable reduction in sound.
On my previous posts, I mentioned I added some pot scrubber at the ends to further eliminate noise. Well the noise was not as nice. It was more of a "flop flop" kinda sound, so I pulled them out. I still have oldtop's stuff in there and I am fairly happy.
The best solution would be to change out the mufflers with ones from vendors here.
In the future, I might look into Breeze quit pipes.


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The new 5.0 cammer mustang has a nice exhaust sound. Unfortunately, that is the only quality item on the new 5.0 mustang. I drove one recently-and wow, such a piece of scrap metal.
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Just add a Turbo to the car and it will be a lot quieter!!! My car sounds good but is quiet enough that you can have a conversation without having to yell, I can also enjoy the stereo. You will also gain 100+hp, it's a win - win situation.

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So just wondering if anyone has ever tried combining the OldTop method with the Zoomies that SJ Dave used from CC?

I am wondering if you could not put 6 inches or so of fiberglass into the headers with the gutter guard to help keep them in place. Maybe it would be too difficult because of the tube size, but wonder if it wouldn't be an idea...

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