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65 Mustang Fastback build

This is going to be a long term project...mainly because I tend to be a slow worker and I'm pretty much starting from scratch with this build.

My basic plan is as follows:

Body modification will be very limited...going to shave the drip rails because I think it's a cool look. If anyone has done this, please share info.

Front Suspension...leaning toward doing a whole front crossmember setup because I can run coil-overs or air-shocks and a rack & pinion steering rack. Still looking at others. There are so many suspension options available and it seems like costs are all over the place. An important factor is if I want to keep the shock towers or delete them. Going to be hitting up guys here for opinions.

Rear Suspension - Going to do a 3 or 4-link rear. I want the ability to lower adjust ride height and don't want to keep leaf springs.

Interior will be mostly stock appearing with some updates (modern seats, a/c, power-windows, basic radio to plug the iPhone into, center console).

Motor/Trans - small block ford with a T5 most likely. Going to go relatively mild to try to stay within a budget. Don't really want to do a 4.6 or Coyote setup.

I guess you can say my plan is to have a modern vintage car. Looks mostly original with a few tweaks here & there...but rides a lot nicer than a 60's car.

A local guy bought a few cars off someone and is building an amazing 66 Coupe (went to see it today and it's out of this world). He's currently building a couple of other cars for his sons and didn't think he'd get to this fastback anytime soon, so he reached out to me to come see it - saw one of my replies in his build thread that stated I was looking for a car.


Met him for lunch to see it today in person and it's something else. Blown Coyote on an Art Morrison Frame (body recessed over the frame) and an incredible interior. Here's a link to his build thread at ProTouring: Project TechnoStang 66 Mustang Coupe - Page 35


As long as the rest of the snow melts off my driveway today, the car should be delivered tomorrow...here are some pics I took the other day:












Going to be asking you guys a ton of questions along the way and making multiple offers to buy beer & pizza for locals to come over and help me out on weekends.


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That's awesome Dan! Great sounding plan to begin with---if you go with a full upper and lower control arm setup I'd definitely clean it up by doing away with the shock towers. Please be sure to keep us updated

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Congrats, going to be a sweet ride once finished.goodluck and look forward to build thread!

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Awesome - welcome to the club! Did he already do all the sheet metal work or is there any for you to do?

Looks pretty much like you're at the same point that I am... a shell on a cart and plenty of possibilities!

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That's a great starting point! Sure makes me miss my '66 fastback. It's just a timeless style.

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The rust repairs have been done, so I get to put a plan together and start executing.

I know the first step is to inventory all the pieces I will get. Not sure what Step 2 is. Wonder if where I can buy an assembly like ffr puts together?

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This is the project I've been wanting to do for a long time. Just can't seem to find one around here for a decent price.
Looks like a great starting point. I'll be watching this one....

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IMHO the car was designed as a unibody why not keep it a unibody (keep the shock towers) and just do what Shelby did to make it handle. (bigger sway bar, lower the upper control arm mount, Export Brace, Monte-Carlo Bar)
See some of the products at cobraautomotive.com

This is especially true if you are going SBF and don't actually need the room you would if you were putting in an overhead cam motor.

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Dan,

Check out NPD for parts that you don't get from the seller. Also, I have a few hard-to-get fastback parts from mine that won't be making it onto the track with the rest of the car, so PM me when you have an idea as to what you need.

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Thanks for the tips Mark and for the offer Chris.

I'm all over the place with the suspension. I really want this car to drive more like a modern car than a vintage one…that's why I'm leaning towards a whole new setup instead of mods to the vintage parts. Give me the handling & steering feel of my 911 (with a softer ride because I'll probably still use 15" or maybe 17" wheels) and I'll be a happy camper.

There are a number of guys that sell components to dramatically improve the suspension parts (opentracker and MustangsPlus are two), but that seems to limit my steering upgrade options.

Still doing research to figure out what I want. I don't want to make the mistake I made when I did the 52 Dodge Truck Hemi swap…cool looking truck that I didn't like to drive because it drove like a 1952 truck.

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Time for us to talk again Dan. I have a lot of practical bit a pieces to help make it a killer project.


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Which way to go.

Dan, you will have fun with this project. The good news is you are keeping the SBF block and not a mod motor which would make the new front crossmember mandatory. You can have a really good "stock" type front suspension with Street or Track uppers, lowers and struts. Do a 1" Shelby drop. It would be difficult to cost-effectively have a better solution. The biggest issue you will have is with the T5 as the trans tunnel really needs to be raised to keep the driveshaft angles correct.. I have no experience with different rear suspensions. Spend some time on the Vintage Mustang Forum for help and good reading. Cheers
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I did a mostly stock restoration of a 66 fastback 20 years ago (added disc brakes, rally-pak, and some HP) and drove it daily for 9 years. Back then it was a sin to stray from stock, even paint color, or do a Shelby tribute. That stuff is all cool these days. It would still be a tough decision to modify a 50 year old car to the point of no return. That being said, I wouldn't mind doing a restomod with a vintage racer look, myself.

I used this book:

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It is old, but it's not like the car has changed.

A wiring diagram, and interior restoration guide are nice to have also. Any of the Mustang parts places have them.

The good thing is that everything is available these days. Some things, like drivers side fastback quarter panels were not back when I did mine. Do you know that you can even get an entire replica chassis / body these days? I guess it would be a replica like our Cobras. Licensed Replacement Body Shell

If you are looking for anywhere near modern performance, and don't mind doing some no going back to stock work, the suspension and steering needs all the help it can get. These cars are flimsy on a good day. The front end moves around as much as Kim Kardashian's rear end. Sub-frame connectors, export brace, Monte-Carlo bar and a four point roll bar would all be good stiffeners. Lots of suspension choices. There are even some nice IRS rears out there if you don't mind getting off of some serious coin. I would look at some of the more famous restomods to see what they put together. Ring Brothers, Crazy Horse, etc

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It's here

Car is sitting in my shop now.








Step 1 - Empty out the interior and inventory what I have.

Been killing myself deciding what I want this car to be when it's done. I think I'm going for a loose interpretation of a Street GT350 (but with a rear seat delete and more modern front seats).


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These cars are flimsy on a good day.
Dan - He's right.... you need something to stiffen it up a bit. May I recommend a cage?



Congrats on getting it home - let me know if I can help with anything.

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You can't call that a roll cage...there aren't that many bars in a prison cell.

I'm definitely going to install the export brace and monte-carlo bar to help with the front end.

I am looking at options for a pre-fabbed cage with a removable cross brace so I can mount a harness to it. Thinking about making it a bolt-in option in case I ever decide to install the rear seat.

Saw this one online (I think it was mentioned on one of the other forums).
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Look at the Street-Sport Roll Bar. Price is about $600.

Any other options you've found (other than a full custom prison cell)?

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All joking aside - he is right... the early Mustangs can use some help in the stiffness department.

From the pics, it looks like yours doesn't have the front torque boxes inside the fenders - they cover the angled part of the floor pan / toe board and work to stiffen things up by connecting the front sub-frame to the rocker panel and the floor pan itself. They're not easy to install, but they do make a difference.

Also, even though it probably already has seat platforms in it, you may want to consider removing those and replacing them with the convertible version, which is a one-piece affair that crosses over the top of the trans tunnel. And, while those are out, you can add the "C" channel convertible inner rocker reinforcements, too.

Check out any of the sources for sheet metal and you can get an idea of what all these parts look like.

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I'll get more pictures later this week when I get stuff cleaned out and you guys can tell me what I need to buy. It's just money, right?

I know he already has sub-frame connectors welded in, so that saves me one thing to do.

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65 Mustang Fastback build

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Oops. Here are pictures

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Seat risers aren't attached. If I do a roll bar, won't that stiffen things enough so I can use these?
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Am I missing torque boxes? I thought I read that they weren't in the 65 model.
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Some of the parts on the tables

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We stored the stainless trim and interior panels up in the loft since I won't be needing those for a while.




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This is inside the driver side wheel well. Am I missing anything?



Here are some pieces I found in the car that I can't figure out where they go. Any ideas?





For the seat risers, was looking online and saw that some guys plug weld these in place. How far apart should I drill the holes for the plug welds? Every 2" enough or closer?

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Got the set of assembly manuals in the mail today.

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Don't want to hear anyone complain about the FFR manual ever again. This might just be a bit more work than I thought.

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