Just complete first engine build. - FFCars.com : Factory Five Racing Discussion Forum
FFCars.com Forums Advertisers Build Sites FFR FAQ Gallery

Go Back   FFCars.com : Factory Five Racing Discussion Forum > General Topics > Ford Small Block Engine
Register Garage iTrader FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read Auto EscrowAuto Loans


FFcars.com is the premier factory five cars Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-05-2012, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
Junior Charter Member
 
indyhog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Troy, Ohio
Posts: 23
Just complete first engine build.

My setup is a 393W F4TE block with ported, by me, J302 heads, Z303 cam, Super victor efi intake. Canton RR pan. Next step is to get a donor car to put this in until I can get a roadster. This has been a fun project so and learned a lot about SBF's.

Here is how I brought it home 3 years ago.


Finished up last night painting and bolting on the valve covers. I really like how well they turn out. My elbow is hitting the fuel rails so that will need some work.



Here is the intake port, I know J302 are small for a 393W but will go bigger later with better cam. Porting them should help and it really was not that hard.






I did not get any receipt when I bought this engine off some guy on Craigslist. So is this going to cause a problem some when I try to register cobra in Ohio even if I have a donor vehicle vin# that it was used in? There is on vin# on the block now from the e250 the engine originated from. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg
indyhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-05-2012, 05:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Daddy-O's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Akron, Ohio
Posts: 1,032
I have the same problem. A virgin 289 block with only the seller's signature on the BOS. And now he's dead. Gotta be notarized and have the VIN on all private seller parts. Or business letterhead from the dealer and a VIN. Or new, with a dealer's receipt.

Last week I was at a state trooper post where they inspect the vehicles and one guy drove his car there without an appointment. The trooper threatened to arrest the guy on the spot with a felony for driving an unregistered vehicles without the permission an appointment gives you. I got PO'd at the driver for doing that and at the trooper for threatening someone. Arrest him or shut up.

So if you're asking if there's any way to get around the requirements. I'd say no. But try it and report back. Let us know. Regardless of what they 'say', I'd only risk it if it was a written policy as to relief of the requirement. Good luck.
__________________
Jonathan
Building 289 c.i.d. engines.
Daddy-O is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 06:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
Supporting Vendor & Admin

 
Wayne Presley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Enterprise Alabama
Posts: 8,161
Garage
Motor looks great, nice valve covers!
__________________
Wayne Presley
www.verycoolparts.com
My contact info for bar code reader apps for smartphones




The X-Terminator - Twin Turbos feeding a Supercharged 4.6 DOHC
Wayne Presley is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 12:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
Junior Charter Member
 
indyhog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Troy, Ohio
Posts: 23
Daddy-o,
I guess i will just have to think a little hard now that I screwed the very first step made.

Wayne, I thought you might like those valve covers.

Greg
indyhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Daddy-O's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Akron, Ohio
Posts: 1,032
Indy, you really didn't screw anything. It's a great motor. Just have to wait to use it in the car until you get a BOS with a notarized signature and a valid VIN. Just a single piece of paper standing between you and happiness.

But I feel for you. I assemble 289s and have one that is just absolutely beyond perfection but there's no history. So just can't use it for an Ohio self-assembled vehicle - just yet.

And yes its biotch to locate:
1. unmachined 289 blocks
2. of 1965-1966 year
3. that come with a valid VIN origin
4. and get a notarized BOS

I'm making some calls.
__________________
Jonathan
Building 289 c.i.d. engines.

Last edited by Daddy-O; 08-07-2012 at 02:13 PM..
Daddy-O is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 07:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
FFCars Master Craftsman
 
cwrandolph's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sidney, Ohio
Posts: 1,520
I took my car in for inspection with a title from a donor Mustang and neither the engine or transmission numbers matched the car's VIN. The car was an 87 so it was reasonable to assume that they had been replaced over the years. I had verified beforehand (law enforcement friend) that the engine and trans did not show up on any stolen vehicle reports. So in my case it didn't hurt that the engine & trans did not match the donor VIN. I had my inspection in Columbus, OH.
__________________
Chas Randolph Sidney, Ohio FFR 6113, Stock (for now) '91 5.0 EFI, T5Z w/midshift, 3-link, SAI Mod, TurboCoupe rear 3:55's, 17" Team III's, Picked up @ FFR on 5/5/07, First start 10/5/08, Go Cart 9/27/09, Licensed & Legal 9/30/10. Painted 6/3/12. Graduation 8/21/12
cwrandolph is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 02:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member

 
Mike Forte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Framingham, Massachusetts
Posts: 8,189
Hi,
Your engine looks real good. I don't see many J-302 heads anymore. Ford used them on their first crate 361's. They were also known as "Alan Root" heads.
__________________
Mike Forte
Forte's Parts Connection
40 Pearl Street
Framingham, Mass. 01702
mikeforte302@gmail.com
508 875 0016
www.fortesparts.com
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...?v=info&ref=ts
The Early Ford & FE Tremec were also originals from Mike. The Mustang firewall adjustable quadrant kit also is an original from Mike. His latest developements are external slave clutch release conversions & cable release conversions too.
Tremec Elite Distributor for: T-5, T-56, T-56 Magnum & TKO-500 & TKO-600
TKO-500 & TKO-600 Midshifter, Front shifter, offset Corvette shifter and more...
A REAL SPEED SHOP with parts, price & knowledge....
Est: 1981 selling & building performance parts to build your dream car...
FORD RACING & QUICKTIME DISTRIBUTOR. NEW 5 LUG AXLES & BRAKE KITS & NEW 8.8\" REAREND IN BOTH IRS & FOX AXLE.
Mike Forte is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 05:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
Junior Charter Member
 
indyhog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Troy, Ohio
Posts: 23
Daddy-O, that does sound like a difficult find for you, worst case is I have to go buy a used roller block some where the right way and I should be fine since there are no number stamped on my block to tell the difference. I just would have a receipt that says I purchase a legit block.


Chas,
Good to hear they did not care about the T5-Z, I have one as well, another craigslist find with no papers. You might remember me, my son and I visited your build back in 07, he was only about 3 months old then. That is him in the pictures. Are you rebuilding your motor? I thought I had saw an you post something a few days ago. If you need machine work done and need a shop go to Kammer & Kammer's south of Huber Heights. They did my block, rotating asy balancing and the valves/machining on my heads. Really happy with service and quality.

Mike,
Thanks for the compliment. I did not even know anything about the J302's until I bought them from this guy locally on craigslist. He said they good heads, no concerns. Later I realized what kind of a deal I got. One of the rockers arms were missing (didn't bother to count them at time of purchase my fault as they were all in thrown into an oily bucket), Also One of the rocker arms studs lost torque (threads ruined) and had come loose which let the rocker arm beat up the retainer, valve, etc. Which is why the heads have threaded inserts for all the rockers studs now. For some reason this guy had thick washers under the guide plates probably for the wrong length valves (too long) that were install. No matter, a few were bent anyway so I got all new valves.
So expensive lesson learned, a cheap set of heads is exactly that. At least these antiques are a solid set of heads for someone in the future when I go bigger. I really enjoyed learning how to port the intake runners as well.

Greg
indyhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2012, 10:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
FFCars Captain
 
BigLeo69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: st. louis missouri
Posts: 4,289
Garage
on the block drivers side, just below the head is where the VIN is marked very hard to see it is etched in

put a registered engine in it and put this in later after its legal
__________________
"Torque is the grunt
that gets us going, and Horsepower
is the force that keeps us moving"



MK3.1 #6945 her name is Buffy
p/u 04/04/09 roller 08/27/09
start-up Pearl Harbor Day 12/07/10
go-cart Memorial Day 2011
body on 11/11/11 Veterans Day
all legal except paint 02/12/12
372w handbuilt
BigLeo69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 05:31 AM.




The Tire Rack

Intercity Lines

Ford Cobra Engines

Team 3 Wheels:

Midwest Classic Insurance:

FACTORY FIVE ROADSTERS:

ROADSTERS
· Roadster Forum
· 4.6L Roadsters
· Big Block Roadsters
· Non-Ford Powered Roadsters

FACTORY FIVE COUPE/SPYDER:

TYPE 65 COUPES
SPYDER GT

FACTORY FIVE GTM:

GTM SUPERCAR
· GTM Forum
· GTM Classifieds
· GTM FAQ

FACTORY FIVE '33 HOT ROD:

· '33 Hot Rod Forum
· Hot Rod Classifieds

FACTORY FIVE COMPETITION:

· Challenge Cars
· Road Racing
· Autocross / Pro Solo
· Drag Racing

GENERAL FACTORY FIVE DISCUSSIONS:

· Free Photo Hosting
· Tires / Wheels
· Tops & Tonneaus
· Upholstery
· Gallery
· Audio / Electronics
· Car Care
· Insurance / Registration
· Brakes / Suspension
· Ford Big Block Tech
· Ford Small Block Tech
· Forced Induction / NOS
· Fuel Injection Tech

EVENTS:

· National Events
· Southwest
· Northwest
· NorCal
· SoCal
· Southcentral
· Midwest
· Southeast
· Northeast
· Canada

OFF TOPIC:

· Off Topic Discussions
· Other Car Discussions
· Smyth Performance G3F
· Automotive Photography Discussions

CLASSIFIEDS:

· Cobras and Replicas For Sale / Wanted
· Parts For Sale / Wanted
· Donor Cars For Sale / Wanted
· Other Vehicles For Sale / Wanted

NEWS / HELP:

· FFCars.com News
· Forum Help / Test

 


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.5.1
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.


© 2002 - 2010 FFCars.com


 

Welcome to FFCars! The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the FFCars.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Factory Five Racing, Inc. or Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by FFCars.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Factory Five Racing, Inc. or Ford Motor Company for any purpose. "FFR", "Factory Five", "Factory Five Racing", and the Factory Five Racing logo are registered trademarks of Factory Five Racing, Inc. FFCars.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting the FFCars.com Forum dedicated to Factory Five.