Oh Boy, First thread- How much power

[BS]

Okay, if I go with the 4 into 4 headers, and some TFS heads, what am I looking at? I'm shooting for around 400 hp or around about there. Way more than I need, but, well, you know......

Bob

[Gordon Levy]

Bob, With the cam your listed, TFS heads, Victor Jr intake, Holley 650 pro carb, you are looking at realisticly the upper 3's on hp.

[Sean Teague]

Alright I gotta try this [img]smile.gif[/img]

404ci 351W (0.060 over, 3.9 stroke with 6.400 rods)
Approx 14:1 compression
TFS Street Heat (Hi-Port) heads flowing 321 int and 240 ex
Lunati solid roller cam (.699 in / .672 ex, 278 in/ 282 ex @ .050, installed at 108 int c/l)
Super Victor intake ported to match heads
Barry Grant 1000cfm Silver Claw carb

[BillHeffelfinger]

Aw shucks, forgot to include the cubic inch. The Ford engine is a 302. Thanks for your polite reply. So, what can I expect from this 302 with edelbrock intake, edelbrock carb and MSD ignition???? Take two.

[Giff]

1996 351w
Stock heads 9-1 cpmpression
Performer RPM intake and 750 Carb
FMS F cam, MSD6, FFR 4into4's??

Now, how much will changing from the stock EFI iron heads to Edelbrock Perf. RPM aluminum heads with 1.6 rockers give me? (The Edelbrock heads have 60cc chambers which I *think* will increase the compression ratio signifigantly..

[Gordon Levy]

Bush, 320-340
Giff, 330+or-
Sean- I will have to run it through the program and see for sure, but off the top of my head pretty close to 560-580 or so. I think you would pick up some more power going to a Victor SR head.

[dv/dt]

Hi Gorden,
Thanks for the feedback! I was looking for around 350 but your estimates would be fine. Since I haven't bought the heads yet, would there be any potential gain (or loss) with 58cc AFR 185's. (In either case I plan on doing the spring upgrade.) Can the stock '87 forged pistons be flycut beyond what they are to get the additional clearance for the larger valves or would I need new pistons. Reason I ask about the 185's is to allow for growth (SC or stroke) down the road.

Thanks again, Rod


Original Post:
Hi Gorden,
How about a refreshed 302, 58cc AFR 165's, QR Mass-Flo with a Spyder II intake, F303 cam, 30 lb injectors, 4-into-4's, no smog.

Cheers, Rod

[BS]

Gordon,
Thanks for the input. With my combo, is the cam the biggest limiting factor or do I have other areas I need to address?
What cam would be a good one to use the potential in this unit? Would the Comp cams XR282 be a good cam for this combo?
I'm looking for it to be as streetable as possible, seldom will see the track (we'll see how long my will power lasts!)
Would I be better off doing this with a 351 instead of going the stroker route? I'm trying to build a budget set up and I have a standared 74 block that I'll be taking .030" over, and everything except the stroker crank and pistons, and intake at the moment. My stock crank will need to be turned .020/.010 and I have football rods now in good shape. I'm holding off spending the money until I find the right combo of power, streetability, and affordability (Okay, I'm cheap). Since I can assemble the engine myself, with a little help from my anal engine building buddy, I need a good list of parts that will make the most sense for the power and budget I'm looking at.
Sorry this is so long winded. Hope you can help me out. Let me know if this would be better handled off line.

Thanks,
Bob

[Gordon Levy]

dv, a set of 185 or Performer RPM with give you some more power specifically in the top end. The other thing is that cam. There are much better choices out there. I think with the right cam and heads you will be in the 370-380 range pretty easily.

[Gordon Levy]

BS, turning the crank 20/10 is not an issue. Just use a Cleavite H series bearing. Use a good set of forged piston and the Xr288 or XR 294 cam, Performer RPM or Victor JR head, Victor JR intake and Holley 650 pro carb and you would have a great running package. Make sure everything is properly balanced and you will have around 400hp with the RPM heads or 425 with the Victor Jrs.

[dv/dt]

Hi Gordon,
Interesting, I haven't bought the heads or cam yet. If I was to go with the 58cc AFR 185's what cam would you suggest? What about with the 165's? I am planning on 1.6 roller rockers so I'm assuming with the 185's and a higher power cam I would have to cut the pistons. Can the stock forged pistons be cut (cut enough)? BTW, I am trying to keep the idle reasonable and not having to set it way up because of the cam.

Thanks again for the feedback!!

Rod

[spotter]

Hi Gord...
302 with trick flow twisted wedge heads,
gt40 upper & lower intakes with computer upgrade, 24lb. injectors, e303 cam, mac shorty headers

[BillHeffelfinger]

Gordon, thanks for the reply on my Ford crate 302 engine with edelbrock intake and carb. 320-340 sounds good to me. BTW, I have often wondered what changes, in order of easiest to most expensive, would give me extra hp. And how much would your shop charge to do each change. I'm thinking of some kind of upgrade for more power.

[Gordon Levy]

DV, actually I have a couple of cam profiles that would make great power with the 185 heads and you would not have to have the pistons cut. Yes Forged piston can be cut if you want more lift.
Spotter, You will make between 320-340 on hp.
Bush, What we charge depends on what we are doing. We look at it on a package basis. As for cost of packages from inexpensive to expensive would take quite some time to write as the options are limitless, it would make a nice sized book.
If you are looking for more power than the crate engine options that are out there, then one of our packages might be the way to go. All or our engines are hand build one at a time and each one is designed for how it will be used.
If you wanted to supercharge in the future, then I would recommend going with EFI instead of carb and a custom engine instead of a crate engine. The Ford engine you are looking at has hyperutectic pistons which are not idea for supercharging and the ring gaps are to tight.

[Mike D]

Spotter's motor:
[i]302 with trick flow twisted wedge heads,
gt40 upper & lower intakes with computer upgrade,
24lb. injectors, e303 cam, mac shorty headers[/]

Gordon says: 320-340

My motor:
Stock 5.0 lower end, E-cam, Twisted Wedge heads, Edlebrock Performer 5.0 intake, 70mm MAF and TB, 19lb injectors.

Gordon says: 300

I'm getting screwed!
Bur seriously, I'm lost on these FI motors, where's the difference? I understood the 19lb injectors to be good for way more than 300hp and the Edlebrock's supposed to be better than the GT-40 intake. Is it the chip

[Gordon Levy]

Mike, I tend to think your car is going to go lean at high rpm with 19# injectors. If you go to 24# and do a little tuning it will pick up 20-25hp.

[jammin1]

can someone estimate my HP. i have a stock 5.0 EFI with 30lb injectors and powerdyne supercharger with 6lb pully.
i am considering putting a 9lb. pully on it and changing out the heads and intake. how much of a increase would i see with these mods.

[Mike D]

Thanks Gordon. I've got what sounds like a collapsed lifter, today was the first day I even ran it up to temp so I'm hoping it's just sticky, or even better a mis-adjusted rocker, but if I have to yank the top off I'll see about bumping up to 24 pounders. If not then it'll be a later upgrade.
So much to learn about this stuff.

[Gordon Levy]

Jammin, about 325.
Mike, If you need some hold on your engine please give me a call at 480-446-8442.

[Mike D]

Will do Gordon, thanks!

[Shep]

OK - Lets try mine:

Stock FMS 5.0 short block, E-303 cam, Edelbrock Performer heads, Performer upper/lower intake, Scorpion 1.6 roller rockers, MSD dstb with MSD6AL, 70mm MAF, 70mm TB, 24lb injectors and FMS shorties. Will go to the chassis dyno in about another month, but I'm curious as to what I might make.

[Gordon Levy]

325- 340, 260-270 rear wheel

[Shep]

Thanks Gordon. I was conservatively hoping to break the 300 mark. I'll let you know what the dyno says!

[P Wyman]

Gordon,

I'm not making this up,
Stock 2v '66 289 (Fairlane) with FFR's 4 to 4 headers.
How much hp will a 650 carb and Edlebrock RPM combo add?
How bad are the stock heads?

Will I own the slowest FFR Roadster?

Pat

[Gordon Levy]

YYY, your engine won't run with a 4bbl on it if you don't change the cam. That engine is 175hp originally and isn't cammed for the bigger carb.
The 289 pre-smog heads are actully very good with a little work done to them. If you do a cam change to a mold cam and run the carb and intake you want, it will make about 250hp.

[mdspicer]

OK - Lets try mine:

Stock 5.0 (refreshed), E-303 cam, PortedExploder upper, ported GT40 lower, 65mm intake/EGR, 75mm meter, Harland-Sharp 1.6 roller rockers on decked and ported E7 heads (Thumper), stock (forged) pistons, stock distributor, MSD6AL, MSD blaster coil, 24# injectors, underdrive pullies, FMS shorties, and QR racing 7qt pan. No smog.

Also, what are the expected HP losses if adding power steering?

Any setup/optimization tips?

Thanks

Marc

[Gordon Levy]

Marc. maybe 300hp. Better heads and intake would help a bunch as well as a better cam. You can expect to loose 20hp from the use of power steering.

[mdspicer]

Gordon,

Thanks. I would love to mount a set of AFR 165's but compromises have to be made in the name of finishing the build within budget. What cam would you recommend with this setup ("spirited" cruising and the occasional auto-X). Like most, I want the best of all worlds. BTW, this engine was profiled for going with a Vortec blower (5-6# boost).

Marc

[Gordon Levy]

I have a couple of profiles that we designed for this that would work well for your car. Give me a call and I can get you one.

[David Ward]

Gordon, how 'bout this set-up? 1995 302, stock bottom end and pistons, Twisted Wedge heads, Ford F cam, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, Performer RPM intake, 600 cfm Holley with vacuum secondaries, MSD ignition, MSD distributor with mechanical advance.

Thanks,
David