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That is very rude.

I do have to admit that in my young brash self was once overheard calling a car at a show "A waste of perfectly good drug money" but you should have seen it!

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Its a sad sad state of affairs we live in. No respect for anything/anybody Everyone knows everything.Everyone has a 'meaningless. opinion.I find a lot of "so called" friends" are envious that I have a Cobra. Life is short...Enjoy your toys...
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Being a younger owner (mid 30s), I have gotten some interesting comments. Multiple people have asked if the car is mine, even as they see me driving it. They may be expecting to hear it is moms/dads car, as dpmac says. One guy said "that's a very nice car for your age". Thanks, for the back handed compliment?.

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Coming from a 62 year old fat guy with a straight face usually keeps them moving along.
For the most part, I try to respond in a way that downplays the car or is humble: "it's a kit car", "still in gel coat, so the parting lines are obvious here", "not done yet", "stock mustang engine", "replica of a xxx".

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When I get the "is it real" question I tell people its an FF replica to which I normally get the "its still a really nice car". I never know how to take that. I know they are being nice and giving a positive reply. But to think its somehow not a nice car because of its origins is odd to me.
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Seems to me all vehicles are "kits" until someone puts the pile of parts together regardless of origin.

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If you take your car to a show, you are basically putting it "up for comments". Thick skin required because idiots, rude, and jealous people get to make their comments too.

I have never understood that you have to pay to put your car in a show, and people can come look at it for free. It would be like NFL players paying to play football, and spectators getting in the stadium for free. If car shows charged $1 for spectators, that would weed most of the riff-raff out, and people bringing their cars would get in for free.

I never use the term "Kit Car" I use "replica". At least in Florida, kit car is a body on a different production chassis. Replica is a full build like FFR.

I did have a guy walk up and very excitedly say "Is it real???". I said "It's a replica". He said "Oh." did an about-face and walked away. My wife and I had a good laugh.

What I really don't like is, when someone that is not interested at all in building one or doesn't even know what it is, asks what it is worth. I don't know why, but that bugs me. If someone is genuinely interested in a build, that is a different story.

I think the rude comments and questions are about 1 in 500, so no big deal.

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...What I really don't like is, when someone that is not interested at all in building one or doesn't even know what it is, asks what it is worth...
I learned how to answer that question from my dearly departed friend Wade Chamberlain--- "About 20 bucks a pound".


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When asked about cost by someone just fishing, I like to answer "about the same as a new mustang" and leave it at that. It doesn't give much definition, because you can spend 25k to +60k on a new mustang these days. It also happens to match up with the amount you could spend on a FFR, with a budget build around 25k, or all out for +60k.

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...or doesn't even know what it is, asks what it is worth. I don't know why, but that bugs me. If someone is genuinely interested in a build, that is a different story.

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I've gotten the occasional negative comment and I generally try not to respond but it's not always easy. It's interesting that the source of the commentator's insecurity is usually pretty obvious.

Had one guy recently looking over the car poke my passenger roll bar trim/covers roughly and ask "what are these?" I told him but it was pretty clear he didn't like them. I didn't care. Then after a little while of being quiet he fairly belligerently asked why didn't I get a Superformance? "Because I wanted to effin build it." At which point I went about my business.

Same gathering, another guy went off on my Wilwood brakes talking about how crappy their brakes were. Having had my fill of these idiots I replied with "Oh shut the hell up." and "Aw you're full of sh1t." He continued acting like an authority on the subject going on about the bad reputation of the Wilwood founder, fired from Baer, bla bla bla. I finally got tired of it and left.

Neither of these pinheads came in cars that were worth even a first glance.

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No matter what the uneducated will say, what counts is our pride in the accomplishment of building a car that goes like a bat out of hell!

Many talk of doing something special one day, we have already done it, with some of us having done it several times. We are living a dream that some just do not get.

When I had a party for my car's graduation, an old friend congratulated me on the build. He remarked that many talk about projects like the Cobra and never follow through. Yes, I talked about building one for twenty plus years, now one sits in the garage.

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Iv'e had my car on the road for 10 years and Iv'e heard about everything.I have not bothered to respond to any of the comments but one. I was at the Telegraph car cruise . I was leaving a parking and a skinny guy with half a set of teeth on a rusty bicycle yells out to me and my wife (why don't you get a real car) I stopped my car and backed into the drive. I looked the toothless wonder in his eyes and told him learn to control your mouth or they will be pulling a rusty bike out of your ass at the ER.Everyone there started to laugh and but head pedaled of in a big hurry.

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Same gathering, another guy went off on my Wilwood brakes talking about how crappy their brakes were. Having had my fill of these idiots I replied with "Oh shut the hell up." and "Aw you're full of sh1t." He continued acting like an authority on the subject going on about the bad reputation of the Wilwood founder, fired from Baer, bla bla bla. I finally got tired of it and left.



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Just to clarify, Bill Woods founded Wilwood in 1977. Hal Baer established Baer brakes in 1986

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Recently a guy on FB called me a 'poser' for having a 'kit car'.....He was driving a piss yellow (or maybe it was puke green) '80s Camaro. I just laughed.

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I do one show in my home town each year. Had a guy tell his wife that my roadster was just a Volkswagen with a different body. I jumped up and looked in the trunk, SOMEONE STOLE THE ENGINE! I opened the hood and told his wife NO PROBLEM, I'll Use the backup! Gave her a wink and told them to have a nice day and enjoy the fords with chevy engines!??
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Just to clarify, Bill Woods founded Wilwood in 1977. Hal Baer established Baer brakes in 1986
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Tell them to take a trip down to Shelby America in Las Vegas and place an order for a $150k Cobra. While not a replica, bet ya it won't come with powertrain and will also register as a "Kit Car"!

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On a totally positive note I was at the Griots Garage flagship store in Tacoma today and the people there were awesome. We spent some time out at the car and some of them remembered the blog post Griots did on my car last spring.

So, at the end when I was checking out the store manager asked me if I wanted to display my car in their showroom for April. The theme is supercars (this month is Ferrari). I was pretty surprised and honored by the offer....

The reason I am even saying all of this is because I then said don't you think some people are really going to get mad about my "kit car" in there.

He replied "I dont care"....

Also, April 1st for their caffeine and gasoline event I am sure I'll hear some great comments while I stay a fly on the wall around my car. Ill be sure to share them....

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I usually respond by saying my car is better than a real one because its safer and I can drive it regularly. On that note, I'm going to drive my fake car to work today because its a heck of a lot better than driving my real Acura RDX.
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Quote: "place an order for a $150k Cobra. While not a replica . . ."


Just to clarify something;

ALL of the parts that were located/found in Shelby's [old, forgotten] warehouse were used to build approx 100 cars - the "Continuation" Cobras. Parts are all gone cars are all sold. EVERYTHING (Cobra) his company builds now is a REPLICA.

It's a kit, being assembled by his [many] employees . . . parts from everywhere. If you order the aluminum body, it comes from Kirkham.

I live in Vegas, been to the site and seen the assembly line. Really no different then the factory that Superformance occupies in Africa for their kit cars or the factory that Backdraft uses to assemble theirs.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now . . .

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Like Avalanche said, if you take your car to a car show, you are putting it on display for comments. You could be driving a Maclaren P1 (my favorite), and there will still be someone criticizing that the Porsche 918 was faster around a particular track. If you're driving the 918, someone may comment the P1 is more of a driver's car and funner to drive. Still others may criticize either aren't real cars because they are hybrids.

My point being, opinions are what they are, opinions. Personally, I'd rather be driving. Cheers.

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Doc,

If ol' Shelby was still alive and you walked into his office (with a Large Piles of Cash), he'd remember a Frame that he'd forgot about from the 1960's.

I 100% agree on the Continuation Car statement. I'm sure the folks that own them feel different.

Besides the "Kit" statement I detest the "Oh... So it's on a Mustang Frame"!

I've also talked to a bunch of "folks" that said, "I think I'll build one, in about 10 years". Hummm.... Yea, O-Kay nice talking to you.



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Quote: "place an order for a $150k Cobra. While not a replica . . ."


Just to clarify something;

ALL of the parts that were located/found in Shelby's [old, forgotten] warehouse were used to build approx 100 cars - the "Continuation" Cobras. Parts are all gone cars are all sold. EVERYTHING (Cobra) his company builds now is a REPLICA.

It's a kit, being assembled by his [many] employees . . . parts from everywhere. If you order the aluminum body, it comes from Kirkham.

I live in Vegas, been to the site and seen the assembly line. Really no different then the factory that Superformance occupies in Africa for their kit cars or the factory that Backdraft uses to assemble theirs.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now . . .

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Not show related but still in line with the wacky comments we sometimes get... I came out of the grocery store ('cause I'll drive it anywhere ) one evening and the 17ish year old kid out wrangling shopping carts was just staring at it. He struck up a conversation about how it was his dream car, blah, blah, blah but as he talked things started changing and now it turns out that his Grandfather has one that he bought new but hasn't driven for years and they are going to restore it together. We've all heard it so I just said "Sounds fun" and finished loading up the trunk. The best part was when he told me that they were going to use a fiberglass body because the original one was so rusty. I didn't have the heart to tell him any better because he'd gotten himself so excited coming up with his story and simply said "That's probably a good decision"

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ALL of the parts that were located/found in Shelby's [old, forgotten] warehouse were used to build approx 100 cars - the "Continuation" Cobras. Parts are all gone cars are all sold. EVERYTHING (Cobra) his company builds now is a REPLICA.
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Thought I remembered the following from the original patent appeal case (Factory Five Racing, Inc. v. Carroll Shelby and Carroll Hall Shelby Trust), so I looked it up again.


"... we find no meaningful distinction between what applicant often refers to as a continuation, on the one hand, and a replica, on the other hand."


Meaning the patent and trademark office sees no difference between a Shelby "continuation" and a "replica" in this case.




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My point exactly . . . if it doesn't have a CSX3000 series number, it's either one of 100 "continuation" (CSX4000) cars or a replica. Owners of the CSX4000 series will always tell you theirs is a continuation car no matter when it was built - or what number it is.
So I guess if you own a CSX4101 to CSX4999 car it's anybodies guess, right? Most will be fiberglass, only a few ($$$) people can afford the Kirkham aluminum upgrade.

Just my 2¢ (again)

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