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Old 05-20-2013, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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16 yr old girl on 1st solo drive killed ... while suspected of texting

Like most 16 year old girls, Savannah Nash couldn't wait to get behind the wheel once she got her driver's license.

Her first solo drive turned out to be her last.

Nash, who turned 16 last week, got permission Thursday afternoon to drive to the grocery store in Harrisonville, Mo., to pick up items for the family dinner.

Her vehicle slammed into a tractor-trailer on the way, and she died at the scene, according to WAFB-TV.

Investigators said the crash occurred when Nash turned left into the path of the truck, which was unable to brake in time, KMBC-TV reported.

A family member of Nash's died at that same location years earlier, her uncle told the station.

Investigators said they found an unsent text message on Nash’s cell phone, and believe texting and driving was a factor in the the crash, the Democrat-Missourian newspaper reported.

“There was a text message that was on her phone, however it was not sent yet,” Sgt. Bill Lowe of the Missouri State Highway Patrol told Fox4KC.com. “That is a probable contributing circumstance to the crash. That’s all part of the investigation.”

A vigil for Nash was held Friday at Harrisonville High School, where she was a freshman, a repeat honor roll student and Future Farmers of America competitor, Kansas City.com reported.
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Wow. Her first solo drive.....Sad. But I wonder who taught her how to drive.
And did she not watch TV or see any youtube videos and public service announcements. She paid for her actions with her life. Glad no one else was taken out with her. I wonder how the person at the other end of the texting felt. I hope they feel like complete crap. Sorry, I feel for her family, I do. But come on people you have to teach your kids that there will be severe consequences just like the one that happened to her. Was it worth a text to lose a life? If I were her parents I would have an open casket funeral and make every kid in town attend. Maybe if they saw first hand what happens to you in a car accident they would think twice.
Just yesterday I was sitting at a light next to a girl that was texting. The light turned green and she just sat there typing away. I had to beep my horn at her for her to turn left on the left green arrow. The guy in the passenger seat just laughed. What part of no texting while driving do these kids simply NOT GET. And it is not just kids....Adults are just as bad sometimes.
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When it is time for my kids, cell phone locked in trunk.
You can't possibly safeguard from all driver distractions. Education is the only way to make sure this does not happen. Sometimes some viewing of consequences is in order to drive the point home. My daughter is itching to be driving the Rhino this summer. She will do just that, but only when I am with her.

Oh, maybe you meant "When it is time for my kids, cell phone locked in trunk...along with GF/BF owner"!
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Very sad indeed. My daughter is turning 15 and about to get a permit. I believe they have an ap that replies to received text messages with a message "I'm driving right now. I will text you back when I stop." I will get that ap for sure.
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She shouldn't have been driving. Obviously she wasn't mature enough.

The commercials I see nowadays are sending the wrong message. They state not to text and drive. I believe they should say do not drive and text. Putting the responsibilities of driving before the secondary issue of texting.

They can through all the money into ad campaigns they want to......but it's not going to make a difference. This is a parenting issue that has been left for society to deal with.

Take their damn phones form them before they drive off or disable texting.
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The only one to blame are the parents. Our daughter turned 17 a few months back. She got a brand new ford focus for her 16th birthday. Just until a month ago, she was not allowed to go anywhere alone. Even now she has only made 4 solo trips. All close to the house and no freeway. No phone usage and no music allowed.

Some people are just in a rush to throw some keys to a 16yr old and let them have at it. 16 is too young. I don't care if they get a license. It proves basically nothing. I decide when the kid is capable of driving and in what capicity.
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Really really tragic and so very sad.

I tend to agree with some of the other thoughts, NJ keeps pushing laws against texting, etc. and to me there is already distracted driver laws. IMHO it shouldnt matter what the distraction is, there will always be the next thing and its so important for all of us to lead our kids by example and teach them to keep their eye on the road and hands on the wheel.
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Not to make light of anyone’s death but….

The best I understand, a teenage boy pays more money for car insurance because they are more likely to drive drunk and get in an accident.

They proved on Mythbusters that texting is more dangerous than drunk driving.

Arguably, (probably not) A teenage girl is more likely to text when driving than a teenage boy.

So will the scales flip?
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texting while driving should have the same penalty of a dui.
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Not to make light of anyone’s death but….

The best I understand, a teenage boy pays more money for car insurance because they are more likely to drive drunk and get in an accident.

They proved on Mythbusters that texting is more dangerous than drunk driving.

Arguably, (probably not) A teenage girl is more likely to text when driving than a teenage boy.

So will the scales flip?
Except that you are drunk the whole drive not just when taking a swig.

Actuarial figures show that men have significantly less accidents per mile but more accidents per year.

If we are talking about teens, girls mature about 2 years before boys and have some advantage when it comes to responsibility.

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PS. Interestingly men pay more for most kinds of insurance because they are riskier to insure. The one exception is health insurance where average payout is 25-35% higher for women (even before recent mandates that insurers cover treatment for dreaded diseases like fertility) but it is legally mandated that they pay the same amount.
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Some Adults are poor examples.
I can't count how many times I've almost been hit or cut-off by someone talking on a cell phone (primarily women, but a couple men too). Which is bad enough, but txt'ing is much worse!

I installed a hands-free device with voice-controlled dialing a couple years ago and wish they would outlaw the hand-helds. I don't hardly talk on the cell, but this does help.
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In a situation like this, I think too many focus on the age. While her inexperience can be a contributing factor to the accident, how many accidents happen every year because someone was texting while driving? Heck, wasn't there a huge train accident because the guy in charge was texting? Texting while operating a mode of transportation is very dangerous.

I don't blame her parents for this, it could happen to anyone. Those that say the parents didn't do their job will be proven hypocrites by their own children.

The problem is it's socially accepted to focus on texting above all else. Hold on, I HAVE to answer this text message RIGHT NOW, any time, any place. There is no cure for this problem. It really doesn't matter how old you are and how many years of experience you have driving, texting while driving can cause an accident.

So how do you get your kid to understand how dangerous this is? The safest way IMO would be to go to an empty lot and set up a obstacle course. Have some of your kid's friends get involved, tell them the goal is to try and distract each other. Texting, talking, playing around with the radio, etc. The bigger and more involved, the better the outcome will be. I'm sure a large local car club could pull it off, either with cars for individual runs or golf carts for multiple drivers. Auto cross is another good way to get someone young experienced in handling a vehicle. It won't directly help deal with distractions but it is still useful.
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Another thing I would do is park that car at the high school entrance for all to see for about a month or two. And if the school won;t allow it I'd put it on the back of a flat bed and pay someone to drive it around with a big sign on it saying "See what texting while driving does".....
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I don't blame her parents for this, it could happen to anyone. Those that say the parents didn't do their job will be proven hypocrites by their own children.
Who pays for the text messaging service?

I don't care what the law says. 16 is too young for a boy OR girl to drive.
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I guarantee you, 16, 17, 18, doesn't matter what the age, your son or daughter will text and drive before they wise up about how dangerous it is, Regardless of what you try to do to stop it. Only way for texting and driving to not happen would be for the phone to not have it. Have fun with that argument day in and day out. My parents said they won't pay for it. So I paid for my own cell phone in HS.
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Laws against using handheld electronic devices while driving, here in BC.

http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/share...le-driving.pdf

I personally believe that even using a "hands free" device, a drivers thoughts can be distracted..
It's different if someones is sitting next to you and having a conversation. I think there is more of a natural rhythm to it, as the passenger can also see what is going on in traffic. They will pause, and can also understand a pause in the drivers response, as traffic conditions change, or a task such as passing, left turning. etc. is at hand.
Now when your talking to someone on the phone, I think we just naturally strive to keep the conversation running smoothly, as would be our habit if sitting in front of them. They ask a question of you, just as your brain is calculating a move in traffic, lane change, passing, or left turn, etc., and your brain suddenly is working on another task.
Far worse, is if conversing on the phone with your boss, or perhaps an important client/customer, as your consciously trying to avoid an awkward pause, as your trying hard to appear considerate, and involved.
Heck if it's just a buddy, or even the Wife, your not under the same pressure to respond immediately..They should understand, and if they don't..to damn bad.

IMHO-I say park it first, then do the talking, even if you need to call someone back.
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Believe it or not, this is one of the best taught things when auto racing. There is all this other stuff going on, but you, as a driver hurling at better than 140-150-whatever MPH, you have to prioritize and keep focused. Gauges can be telling you something, and someone can be in your ear radioing you, but if it is the wrong time, you damn well better just tune it out and deal with it when on a straight or whatever. I believe many of the "Teen Driver" courses focus HEAVILY on this, and I would recommend them to EVERYONE who has a young driver in the family. Sometimes it can be difficult. My niece is balking at the idea right now. She is 17. My suggestion to her parents is to make it a prerequisite for a license, but she is fighting it. I have no idea why, because these events end up being a huge amount of fun for the participants, from what I have seen.
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Very sad indeed. My daughter is turning 15 and about to get a permit. I believe they have an ap that replies to received text messages with a message "I'm driving right now. I will text you back when I stop." I will get that ap for sure.
I think that ap is a great idea, if she will use it.

NOW a question for you "lawyer types".

Phones have GPS. Phone makers control features the phone has.

Much the same as factory installed seat belts and air bags are required by law. Why can't we have a NO USE IN MOTION law that manufactures MUST install?
And why can't this girls parents sue the phone co. for not having this safety feature?
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And why can't this girls parents sue the phone co. for not having this safety feature?
This is America. That is an invalid term. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Seriously.
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Good Lord, the last thing we need is more regulation. Keeping in mind that we are all totaly speculating on the contributing factors here, the root cause was hitting stuff, or getting in the way of stuff, that will kill you. That practice is very unforgiving.

What kids need to be educated, in very real terms, is the fact that driving a car without giving it the respect it deserves can kill you and others around you. Period. It is not a matter of maturity, or legality, it is a matter of respect for the responsibility at hand. Many adults don't show the respect either. The driver needs to be taught this respect and be able to make intelligent decisions about the risk that they are taking.

When and as my kids go through this learning experience, some of the things I talk to them about are what you do if you feel the need to answer a call when you are driving. What is the appropriate amount of risk to take? Likely the only answer is to pull over and answer the call. But, given enough margin, you may be able to get a quick answser in, you just better be prepared to end the call immediately if risks rise, like othe traffic, intersections, roads with no shoulders, curves coming up, whatever. Other things besides phones can be just as bad though. One of the worst that I have seen is a dropped french fry, especially one with ketchup on it. People do, and will continue, to eat and drive, but if you drop a fry (or whatever) you need to understand that driving is more important than that new outfit that you just ruined with ketchup. Concentrating on the fry and risking running into stuff that can kill you can in no way make your day better. It is as simple as that.

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I think that ap is a great idea, if she will use it.

Why can't we have a NO USE IN MOTION law that manufactures MUST install?
And why can't this girls parents sue the phone co. for not having this safety feature?
There are already motion activated apps. But there is no way to distinguish what is causing the motion so they can't put them in phones as a mandatory function. And I'm sorry, but if you really think the parents should sue the phone maker, then you are part of the problem with this country. Do you think gun makers are responsible for shootings and ice cream makers for obesity? Age isn't the problem here either. Plenty of generations before us were self sufficient at 16 with children of their own. Stupid is the problem. As a society we have allowed stupid to thrive and have taught people that nothing is their fault and we can blame and sue someone else for it and it's BULL. This is very sad, but at the end of the day, this girl is dead because of HER actions and nothing else. The other problem ( on top of the lack of personal responsibility ) is the lack of driver training. Getting a license is WAY too easy. I'm the last to suggest any type of gov't regulation, but I honestly feel that our current system of driver testing is more focused on revenue than driver training. There are too many people on the road with no respect for the 6000lb weapon they are driving.
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Phones have GPS. Phone makers control features the phone has.

Much the same as factory installed seat belts and air bags are required by law. Why can't we have a NO USE IN MOTION law that manufactures MUST install?
And why can't this girls parents sue the phone co. for not having this safety feature?
This is NOT the way to go about solving this problem.
1. We don't need any more BS Gov't regulations, Period.

2. There are times when it can save someone's life to make a call while driving. The risk of getting in an accident is diminished by the severity of the situation. Use your imagination on what situations this can be. One example, road rage. Stopping your car is the LAST thing you should do if someone suddenly has it out for you. While extreme situations are rare, they do exist and need to be considered.

3. Oh yeah, lets just sue the phone company for the actions of this young girl, 'cause it's TOTALLY the phone company's fault for some girl texting while driving. While we're at it, lets charge the driver of the tractor trailer for accidental manslaughter because if the tractor trailer wasn't there to begin with, she'd still be alive. Common, lets use common sense here.

As Sean mentioned above, part of the problem is driver's ed in America. It's a damn revolving door system and is a laughable excuse for an education program for how important the topic is. The most dangerous thing you do every day is get behind the wheel of a vehicle but you wouldn't figure that out from our current education system for it. This is increasing regulations, however it is not increasing BS regulations. There is a difference. BS regulations don't solve the root problem and once you implement some stupid in motion regulation to stop wireless communication, there will be counter measures on the market to remove the programs. Also, a phone has no way of knowing who is driving and who is a passenger.
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Teens always think they know more than they do. It's the rare teen that does what they're told. I'd be willing to bet that her parents told her not to text and drive.
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Driving skills and etiquette has been going downhill since they removed true drivers ed from schools. (along with decision making)
Parents that really never learned proper road skills/etiquette are teaching their children what they don't know.

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While living in Texas I made my daughter get her NASA TT license before she got her driving license, that is pass all 4 levels of HPDE and then get her Time Trials License. I told her that she can do what she wants on the track and only on the track. There were some tough love session on the track that pointed out issues if you loose concentration or look away. It's been 5 years now and no issues speeding, accidents or texting.
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Old 05-21-2013, 04:27 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Good parenting does work!!!

kudos to you.
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I was extremely sad reading this and posted the link on my Facebook page yesterday,

My daughter started driving 3 weeks ago, so very close to us.....

My solution was very simple, STICK SHIFT......

I also track her on Life 360 , and because of that app she lost her driving privileges BEFORE she got them by lying about where she had been. BIG LIFE Lesson for her.

I agree on the age thing though, i only got my license a 18 ........
....... but as she trains 4 days a week at 5:30am, and I am NOT a morning person , so I am glad she can drive herself to the pool 3 miles away and then to school 4 more miles away.

We in USA seem to have it wrong... we ban alcohol for 3 more years than rest of the world but allow them access to cars 2 years before the rest of the world..... Also the biggest killer of under 25 years old people.


As an aside the advanced driving schools seem to be avoiding my region this year, looked everywhere, I got my neighbors daughter onto one that someone here listed 3 years ago, but they have nothing in Nc or SC this year. So I am doing what I can from my track training and memory of advanced drive school 25 years ago.
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