US Ambassador killed.

[Cobra Cory]

Ambassador of the US in Libya was killed in an attack yesterday.

Now what? Here we helped them over throw Khadafi and look what happens.
Guess we will sen them a few Billion dollars now.

There goes gas prices!

BTW I think someone should pop that stupid arse preacher......

[cChrisM]

I don't understand why our embassy's aren't protecting themselves. I am concerned how this will all play out.,

[bwana50]

I'd heard someone got killed, didn't know it was the ambassador. $%#@)heads!

I don't understand why our embassy's aren't protecting themselves.

The host country provides external security. I believe in this case the security forces were heavily outnumbered, so they let the protestors run amok. We (U. S. Marines) provide internal security, but are generally limited to pistols, shotguns and tear gas. The RSOs may have more exotic weaponry, but still, against a crowd of hundreds (or thousands), there's not much a team of maybe 10 Marines and RSOs can (or are allowed to) do.

[AJuergens]

I stopped by the US Embassy in Singapore today to pick up a passport. I was surprised at the "security" The 5 foot woman who was 50 lbs over weight wasn't in the position to stop much more then a 10 year old, much less an angry mob.

I was looking around for the Marines standing guard that are always portrayed in movies... Guess Hollywood got me again.

[bwana50]

Middle-eastern country goes through revolution and tosses its leader, mobs attack U.S. embassy.... Hmmm, where have we seen this before?

[Mustang Man]

Don't worry, it'll make a great film for Ben Effleck in 30 years...

[CraigS]

I don't understand this either. Why weren't the people coming over the wall at the embassy getting a 5.56 in the head? Is this a recent change that we don't have some Marines at our embassies in these crazy countries. And now the ambassador and others have been killed at a consulate..Not sure of the difference between an embassy and a consulate but shouldn't they both be heavily armed?

[Cobra Cory]

My question is isn't this an act of war? Ought to be if not. Can't believe they were calling for us to help them not that long ago and we did. Now we get our payback. Just like Egypt. We send them them $1.5 Billion dollars every year while we have a massive deficit, and it is going to bite us in the a$$. Literally. You wait and see.
Also why are we not storming the Libyan Embassy right now? Eye for an eye is how they do it over there. And shouldn't that preacher that made the movie be jailed for enciting a riot and causing the death of an Ambassador?
Where are all the snipers from Youtube when ya need one. Just one..One!

They grabbed our American flag and shredded it....They attacked American soil. Now we get to see how good the O man really is.

[CraigS]

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[dukegrad98]

Sure seems like a political topic in OT to me...

Cheers, John

[joyridin']

Shut off the flow of money to these countries. If they can buy weapons to shoot at our embassies, then they don't need our money.

[lynnhowlyn]

Originally Posted by CraigS

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x2 ... definitely not holding my breath

[Rich A]

Originally Posted by Cobra Cory

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They grabbed our American flag and shredded it....They attacked American soil...

Cobra Cory,
We have people here in the US that burn and shred the American flag, the goverment isn't going to do anything about it but throw more money at it

[SCracer]

here's my question:

Why aren’t all U.S. Embassy’s structurally secure from attacks like this? Why can't they just close the bomb doors, or something, and be safe from a mob? Or maybe one of those "Panic" rooms with secure communication lines.

It seems to me when we move in to a building as our Embassy in some foreign country the Army Corps of Engineers show up first and create a secure and safe working environment first....sheesh!

[Rich A]

Originally Posted by SCracer

...It seems to me when we move in to a building as our Embassy in some foreign country the Army Corps of Engineers show up first and create a secure and safe working environment...

SCracer,
That's the way it should be, but then people would complain about the cost, government spending, and the deficit.

[2FAST4U]

I removed the political comments. Please try to refrain from making them or it will be moved to the Clubhouse. I know this is a very heated and sensitive topic.

[MPTech]

Just received this a couple minutes ago from CNN:

The attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens was planned by attackers who used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources say.
The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it, and they say they don't believe Stevens was specifically targeted. Stevens and three other Americans suffocated trying to escape a fire after a grenade was thrown into the building, a senior U.S. official said.
London terror analysts speculated that Stevens was the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack. The assault "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the analysts said.

very sad indeed. where's the zero tolerance on terrorism?

[joyridin']

What do you do? Start bombing the whole country? Time to close the embassies and leave the crap holes....and stop giving them foreign aide.

[Cobra Cory]

I'm betting that is a BS story to try to calm people like me down. Make it sound like it wasn't the Libyans, when it was...
Make fun of Mohamed and they go wild. Kill an Ambassador to the US and ohhh that's OK. I'm sending off my letter to the White House when I get home from work today. Might not mean much, but at least I am going to voice my anger.

[DiaperLoad]

Seems like quite a few questions about embassy's. I'll try to clear some of them up.

An Embassy is where the main stuff is (picture headquarters). The consulate is secondary to an embassy. Picture the embassy as the boss and a consulate as an employee. An example would be that we have an Embassy in Moscow but the consulate is in St. Petersburg.

Someone mentioned why aren't the Marines shooting 5.56 at people jumping the wall. Marine Embassy guards don't use that kind of weaponry. When Marines are on MSG duty they use State Department weapons. They carry a .357 and the Remington 870P shotgun.

There are safe rooms in an embassy. That's as much as I feel I can comment on that.

Pretty much every embassy I've been to has things called 'delta' barries. With a push of a button they go up or down and are designed to stop cars/trucks from ramming the building.

The Marines don't handle the foreign nationals that come in for visas/business/etc. Generally, the Marines don't speak the language so it's easier to hire local guards to do that part. The local guards are supervised by the RSO and Marines.

Someone mentioned stuff about building being structurally sound. The foreign countries let us 'borrow' a building to be used as an embassy. Sometimes they are rigged up by the foreign country. Sometimes we build it. All depends. Take Moscow for example. The Russians gave us the spot and building that we used for a long time. Fast forward 20 years and we go do a remodel and find MASSIVE listening devices all throughout the building to we tear it down and build new. This is common from what I've heard/understand.

There isn't as much Marine manpower as you guys are thinking in an embassy. I was stationed in Paris and we had 30 Marines. That was one of the biggest groups. Only Moscow had more and it was only by a couple. I was also in St. Petersburg and we only had 5 Marines there. The average size is about 7 Marines to guard an Embassy.

Any more questions let me know.

[rjjablo]

The Marines I saw at the US Embassy in Kabul had a M2 .50 pointed down the street.

[cChrisM]

Interesting Data:

According to the State Department Office of the Historian, five U.S. ambassadors have been killed by terrorists:
—Adolph Dubs, in Afghanistan, 1979
—Francis E. Meloy Jr., in Lebanon, 1976
—Rodger P. Davies, in Cyprus, 1974
—Cleo A. Noel Jr., in Sudan, 1973
—John Gordon Mein, in Guatemala, 1968

Two other U.S. ambassadors have died in plane crashes:
—Arnold L. Raphel, in Pakistan, 1988
—Laurence A. Steinhardt, in Canada, 1950


Read more: Chris Stevens is among six U.S. ambassadors killed by terrorists - NY Daily News

[Cory]

Dragon Dragon this is Wishbone 1776, request fire support. 20 Mike mike on flare. Popping flare now.

Wishbone 1776 this is Dragon, visual on flare.......bringing the rain.

Dragon this is Wishbone 1776, perimeter secure, thanks for the support.

This is all it would take to stop the violence against the Embassy in Egypt and send these little cowards back to their mothers teet.

[Highspeed]

Maybe I'm off base, but from what I've read and heard this was not Libya attacking our consulate, it was a bunch of muslim extremists (or not so extreme - who knows?) attacking people that had nothing to do with a movie they didn't like. Or at least that was their springboard if the attack was actually pre-planned as the gov't is claiming. More or less falls under 'any excuse to kill americans.' Very pathetic bunch.

[Kiwiracer]

Two US Navy warships are moving towards the coast of Libya. The destroyers are the USS Laboon and the USS McFaul. Both ships are equipped with tomahawk missiles that could be used if a strike was ordered. Tomahawks are satellite-guided cruise missiles that can be programmed to hit specific targets.
"These ships will give the administration flexibility," a senior official said, if the administration orders action against targets in Libya.
The USS Laboon was making a port call in Crete, a few hours from Libya, when it was ordered to reposition. The USS McFaul was outside the Strait of Gibraltar, a few days sail from Libya, and is headed to the Libyan coast.
The US Navy typically keeps up to four Aegis-equipped missile warships ships in the eastern Mediterranean to aid in defending Israel and missile defense for southern Europe. The McFaul and Laboon were part of that deployment.

Problem is, where do you strike?

[cChrisM]

Originally Posted by bwana50

I'd heard someone got killed, didn't know it was the ambassador. $%#@)heads!

The host country provides external security. I believe in this case the security forces were heavily outnumbered, so they let the protestors run amok. We (U. S. Marines) provide internal security, but are generally limited to pistols, shotguns and tear gas. The RSOs may have more exotic weaponry, but still, against a crowd of hundreds (or thousands), there's not much a team of maybe 10 Marines and RSOs can (or are allowed to) do.

Thanks for the insight, I did not know this. The fact that the host country does not protect our people is cause enough for us to take a strong stance. Let other countries know they need to protect our outside walls or else. I am also surprised that they are so lightly armed. Meanwhile everyday walking through the Port Authorty Bus Terminal here in NYC I see National Guard with M-16s.

Armed US military (National Guard?) Patroling Port Authority Bus Terminals NYC. - YouTube

Armed US military (National Guard?) Patroling Port Authority Bus Terminals NYC. - YouTube

[SP3]

Originally Posted by cChrisM

Thanks for the insight, I did not know this. The fact that the host country does not protect our people is cause enough for us to take a strong stance. Let other countries know they need to protect our outside walls or else. I am also surprised that they are so lightly armed. Meanwhile everyday walking through the Port Authorty Bus Terminal here in NYC I see National Guard with M-16s.
Armed US military (National Guard?) Patroling Port Authority Bus Terminals NYC. - YouTube

meanwhile, it's 'not appropriate' to put NG troops on the southern border.

[MPTech]

I just wonder what their reactions would be if we took this casual approach to protecting their ambassadors here in the states? Would they hold us liable if their ambassador was killed? (YOU BET THEY WOULD!)

Somebody needs to be held accountable for these actions (maybe the country that is sheltering these ba$-+urds!!)

[Cory]

How important is this situation? Must be like a gnat buzzing around a donkey's head.

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[Michael Stora]

The third American killed has been identified as Brandon Webb.

Edit: Correction. It was Webb's co-author Glen Doherty. Webb is alive and well.



Mike