But do you really think that car will ever be worth $300k again?
Yes, in 2065 (or sooner, depending on what the dollar does ;-) )
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i don't like it at all. i'm with cobraless, it looks like a trans-am hood. too busy, trying to hard. it does not have to be over-styled to look aggressive.
looks like a late model jaguar went off into the woods with a trans-am and bred a viper.
but if santa brings me one, i'll be polite and pretend to like it!
I like it. Back in 02' I got to spend about an hour behind the wheel of the 98 GTS and loved it back then to. Everyone else I talked to hated the car because it was to rough, no driver comfort, to loud, etc... But since that is what I expected I loved it, or maybe because at the time I was driving a 79 CJ with 6 inch lift and the car felt right at home on creature comfort. I just hope they made the interior bigger because at 5'9'' I even felt stuffed in that thing.
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I dont care for the styling at all. I'd take a new Challenger any day. Really like the one on the commercial with Petty that is all blacked out. Or an orange one...
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...It's a really comfortable ride, and No Doubt, a Really Cool car, but I still think I prefer the G-Force/NOISE of Sharkx's MKIII. ...It's all part of the fun!
For years I have thought that the viper and vette looked too similar. The new viper changes that some but I have never been a viper guy. Mostly because of the owners, many of which are too Jersey shore for me. JMHO, YMMV, Richard.
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Man, what a bunch of haters! I think it looks bad ass, and from what I hear, it will be a much better driving and livable car than the last one. If I had an extra 100k to burn, I'd place a deposit down on one in a heart beat.
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No doubt it would be a fun car to drive, but I have to agree with the others in that it looks like the product of a committee that tried to please everyone and came up with a jumble of designs and forced them all into this car.
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Yeah but they probably know how to flash the computer or something.
There are a number of "shady" dudes here in scammer town that offer these services for a couple of Benjamin's. I certainly don't condone this activity, but I do have one friend of mine whom has done this to a couple of cars he's sold. I gave him crap about it, as I'd never do such a dishonest thing.
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i like it better than the last version of the Viper. i read the article in Road and Track (i think that where it was) with the guy that was the project lead for the development team, and i was really impressed with the technology and design decisions he covered. he even said that they were targeting the ZR1's performance because it was such a "capable" car and was looking to beat it.
But my real question is:
ZR1 or 2013 Viper?
for me, i'd be ZR1 all day...
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I think the car is a bit busy on the styling side. However if you have seen them in black most of it goes away. especially at night when I think the car is at it's meanest look. Yes I would still take a blacked out Challenger SRT8 any day.....Still plan on it too.
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Yeah but they probably know how to flash the computer or something.
Not quite that simple. These cars are very complex now. Resetting the odometer is not a simple as a flash. I am not sure what modules store the mileage data, but I know it is stored in more than just the cluster module. It is on the ECM also.
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Man, what a bunch of haters! I think it looks bad ass, and from what I hear, it will be a much better driving and livable car than the last one. If I had an extra 100k to burn, I'd place a deposit down on one in a heart beat.
It is FAR more livable than the old one. I have driven both. Night and day. It is still not as comfy as mainstream cars because it is a race car at heart, but it is far far better than the old one.
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No doubt it would be a fun car to drive, but I have to agree with the others in that it looks like the product of a committee that tried to please everyone and came up with a jumble of designs and forced them all into this car.
Gotta see it in person. I hate the photos, but in person, it is very nice.
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i like it better than the last version of the Viper. i read the article in Road and Track (i think that where it was) with the guy that was the project lead for the development team, and i was really impressed with the technology and design decisions he covered. he even said that they were targeting the ZR1's performance because it was such a "capable" car and was looking to beat it.
But my real question is:
ZR1 or 2013 Viper?
for me, i'd be ZR1 all day...
I think the Viper is going to embarrass the ZR1 with a capable driver. The Viper will bite people in the ass who are not superb drivers.
Just wait till it loses its roof. I've always been a fan of the topless model. The only thing the coupe had better than the convertible was the rear end, hopefully they won't use a different rear end look. Here is a render...
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I think it looks OK, but may be one of those cars that looks best in person, sometimes pictures don't do it justice. I've always thought the vipers were really cool, but aren't they just too heavy to perform as well as the vettes?
I think it looks OK, but may be one of those cars that looks best in person, sometimes pictures don't do it justice. I've always thought the vipers were really cool, but aren't they just too heavy to perform as well as the vettes?
It is almost 200 lbs lighter. ZR1 dry weight is 3333 according to my googling and the Viper is 3143 as a hardtop. Viper has the 3rd best power to weight ratio in the world according to mfg specs (behind Veyron and ferrari F12).
The last gen is very well proven on the 'ring with the fastest production laptime in the world.
Only problem is, like the Vette ZR-1, CTS-V, Camaro ZL-1, Shelby GT500. With so much power and torque on hand, most of it just goes up in smoke when you plant the throttle down. So easy to roast those rear tires. I wish they'd make an AWD Vette and/or Viper, or any American Sports car for that matter. One reason the Jeep SRT8 performs so well is due to AWD. I hope my next vehicle is a SRT8 Jeep. The new ones are SICK!!! But at about 70k loaded, ouch. Bend over and grab your ankles. Guess I'll wait a few years and pick up a used one at half price.
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It is almost 200 lbs lighter. ZR1 dry weight is 3333 according to my googling and the Viper is 3143 as a hardtop. Viper has the 3rd best power to weight ratio in the world according to mfg specs (behind Veyron and ferrari F12).
The last gen is very well proven on the 'ring with the fastest production laptime in the world.
OK, cool Aaron, thanks for the info, I guess i'd been brainwashed by my vette buddies who have the "fastest & lightest" modern sportcars on the road.
In the past, the only thing that really put Corvettes above Vipers on the track was no traction control on the Viper. But this is a whole different era for the Viper, it has a lot more electronic aids than in the past. SRT focused on the exotic car crowd who usually overlooked the Viper because it wasn't sexy enough in the interior and gizmos.
As for performance, the ACR Viper owned the track in its price range and above it as well. Even the Ford GT crowd knows not to go up against an ACR on the track. The ACR has a ring record of 7:12.13, that's brutally fast when you consider that the ZR1 made another attempt this year to try and beat the ACR's 2011 record. It's time was 7:19.63. The fastest record of any vehicle on the 'Ring is a Pagani Zonda R at 6:47.50. It's not street legal but the second fastest is the Radical SR8 LM at 6:48. The Radical SR8 LM is essentially a street legal LMP2 car but by no means a vehicle you'd want to drive around town.
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...but the second fastest is the Radical SR8 LM at 6:48. The Radical SR8 LM is essentially a street legal LMP2 car but by no means a vehicle you'd want to drive around town.
I don't know what this is. Radical does not list this model. Radicals are insanely fast, I know because I race against them, but very fragile and expensive to maintain. They are most definitely NOT an LMP car. Your analogy is somewhat like saying "it's essentially a Formula 1 car" if you were to be discussing an Indy car. They may look the same, but that's about it. Performance, cost, drivetrain, technologies...all very different. I will agree with you in one instance though...I wouldn't want one for the street.
Overall, I would say that a Radical is one of the few cars that is a REALLY good bang for buck vehicle...if you don't include maintainance costs. Just about nothing is faster, and high end used cars go for $50k-$60k.
Ok, I should say LMP2 style car. It looks like the SR8 LM was a one off version of the SR8.
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