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Old 02-21-2012, 12:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2001 Civic wont start!

So my starter's been acting up for a few months (solenoid was going), and I finally decided to swap it out today. So I get in the car to pull it into the garage - It starts up and dies after a few seconds. Yesterday it was running fine - no sign of any problems, other than the starter.

It cranks - really fast - however no sign of attempting to start. It's as if there was zero compression...

So I pull a plug, and there is a spark. I also hook up my compression tester - and got 60psi - only tested one. However if I recall the last time I used it (about 20 years ago), I think I messed up the gauge when an engine backfired, or caught on fire... I forgot. So Im heading to auto zone to borrow one of theirs. However I think that there is ample compression.

So I sprayed some carb cleaner in the throttle body while it was being cranked - and no sign of life - just spinning freely.

The thing that scares me is that I never changed the timing belt (on my to do list), and I have over 165k miles. However the fact that there is compression seems to indicate that the cams are spinning correctly (however I'll verify this shortly with the other compression gauge). Or is that a wrong conclusion?

Otherwise I'm kind of stumped. I was looking around civic forums, and they seem to indicate that the distributor can be the problem as well as sensors (cam/crank)

I wanted to tap into this forum for suggestions... any thoughts or tests to conduct would be greatly appreciated.

On the positive side, it looks like the FFR will be my daily driver until I can figure out the honda! And there is no rain in the forcast....
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you have only 60psi my bet is it jumped time. Compression on most modern cars is up over 150psi when every things working well.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you have only 60psi my bet is it jumped time. Compression on most modern cars is up over 150psi when every things working well.
Im starting to think you are right... I got the compression tester, and they range between 90-110. After I checked each cylinder, I put in new plugs that I had laying around... and it wants to run. Hence its looking like the belt is the culprit!
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pretty sure the problem is that its a Honda. Upgrade to domestic. That will fix all your problems...
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pretty sure the problem is that its a Honda. Upgrade to domestic. That will fix all your problems...
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Replace Timing Belt

Dont know about Honda's but every other transverse 4 car I have replaced the timing belt on you might as well replace the water pump while you are in there.
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The thing that scares me is that I never changed the timing belt (on my to do list), and I have over 165k miles.
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pretty sure the problem is that its a Honda. Upgrade to domestic. That will fix all your problems...
165,000 trouble free miles would suggest otherwise...

The timing belt is an easy job. Change the water pump while you're in there. And as suggested...the fuel filter and any other routine maintenance you've neglected.
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Maybe I missed it but I don't see any mention of verifying that it is getting fuel.

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Have you taken off the gas cap and put it back on?
Seriously.
Is it throwing any codes?
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When I would try to start it today, It ran like it was firing on 1, maybe 2 cylinders. So I checked spark on all cylinders (and changed the plugs). All had spark, and it continued to sputter. The plugs were wet... indicating that fuel it reaching.

I then was going to pull it into my garage to start digging deeper. I started the car and tried to keep the rpm's up to move the car (it stalled a few time immediately when I put it in drive), and all of a sudden it started to run fine.... its as if when I passed 1500 rpm or so, every thing started working fine again.

I'm really stumped. I guess there are probably way to many variable, however if anyone has and thoughts, please let me know.

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I have 2 civics. Like I said earlier. It will start/crank with a low battery, but not run.
Good point! Once the rpm's hit 1500, the alternator was producing enough to keep it going. Try charging the battery up.
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