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Old 06-17-2009, 10:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how much do ice cubes weigh?

i don't mean the density of ice, i mean how much do standard isssue ice cubes from a standard issue machine weigh?

it's easy to consider the density of ice and account for space, but there has got to be a figure out there somewhere!!!!!!


i have a 5 bucket of ice cubes from the ice machine, but the scale is busted.

need to know for Mr. Whole Foods Market. i don't need to know to within .0001 lbs/ft³
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There are different ice machines that dispense different types of cubes. There are the little pellets, long cubes, square cubes, etc. Is there is specific type you are looking for?
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Based on the type bucket described................ "ever so much!"
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The longer you stand there, the less each one will weigh.

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Ok, assuming each one is 1 inch long, .5 inches wide, and .5 inches deep and ice is .92 grams per milliliter, your ice cube comes out to 3.76 grams each. (.25 (cubic inches) = 4.096766 mL)
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That is just for each cube. What size buckets are you using? I assume 5 gallon buckets? If so, then 1 US gallon = 3 785.41178 milliliters. Assume about 15% loss of mass due to shape of cubes and empty space.

5 buckets @ 5 gallon size = 25 US gallons = 94 635.0 milliliters

0.92 grams/mL * 94 635.0 milliliters = 87,604 grams = 198 pounds.

Subtract out 15% for empty space, 168.3 pounds
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That is just for each cube. What size buckets are you using? I assume 5 gallon buckets? If so, then 1 US gallon = 3 785.41178 milliliters. Assume about 15% loss of mass due to shape of cubes and empty space.

5 buckets @ 5 gallon size = 25 US gallons = 94 635.0 milliliters

0.92 grams/mL * 94 635.0 milliliters = 87,604 grams = 198 pounds.

Subtract out 15% for empty space, 168.3 pounds
Not a chance it weighs that much. A gallon of water weighs a little over 8 pounds. So a 5 gallon bucket of ice has to weigh less than 40 pounds accounting for the fact that ice wieghs less than water and waste of space.

Sorry didn't see you were calculating for 5 5 gallon buckets my bad.

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I thought you were an engineer...this is basic stuff
man ...what to they teach you out west?...seriously!
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but what about space?

Space doesn't weigh anything.
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.... related to ice cubes.... if you want to have fun at your buddies next outdoor party. make a bunch of ice cubes but add one new ingredient to the water (1) mint mento - I suggest "mint" because these are white and less noticable in the frozen icecube.

The rest of the story is probably clear.... buddy drops in his drink... if there is any soda there will be a delayed reaction until the ice melts and then.... a bit of a mess. Ok... perhaps not a nice thing to do but I did say outdoor party.....
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.... related to ice cubes.... if you want to have fun at your buddies next outdoor party. make a bunch of ice cubes but add one new ingredient to the water (1) mint mento - I suggest "mint" because these are white and less noticable in the frozen icecube.

The rest of the story is probably clear.... buddy drops in his drink... if there is any soda there will be a delayed reaction until the ice melts and then.... a bit of a mess. Ok... perhaps not a nice thing to do but I did say outdoor party.....
Hmmmm, that does sound like fun, though the drink could be gone by the time the ice melts. May have to try that.
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Hmmmm...How much wasted space would there be? I'd guess way more than 15%. I doubt you could stack cubes carefully in a bucket and only have 15% wasted space...
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1. Take a quantity of ice cubes. Let's say 10 or so.
2. Put them in a cylindrical glass. Put glass in microwave or wait for it to melt.
3. Measure the height of the water in the glass and the diameter of the glass.
4. Compute the volume. The formula is: Volume = Pi time radius squared times the height
5. Convert to weight. 1 Cubic centimeter of water weighs 1 gram.
6. If you used 10 ice cubes divide the result by 10.
7. If you don't like metric, 1 gram = .0352739619 ounces or put another way, 1 ounce = 28.3495231 grams.

Edit: I forgot, if you measure the height of the ice in the glass before they melt, you can do a simple proportion to get the space differential as a percentage of the total volume

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Hmmmm...How much wasted space would there be? I'd guess way more than 15%. I doubt you could stack cubes carefully in a bucket and only have 15% wasted space...
I just figured 15% as a minimum amount of empty space. I figure it would be closer to 20%-25%, maybe even 30% but with broken pieces, etc it could be as low as 15%.
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Can you define a "standard" ice cube?
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Question Ice in a bucket

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but what about space?

Ah yes, the Final Frontier.

In Space, ice cubes wouldn't weight anything, although they would still have mass.


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Ah yes, the Final Frontier.

In Space, ice cubes wouldn't weight anything, although they would still have mass.


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I thought you were an engineer...this is basic stuff
man ...what to they teach you out west?...seriously!
EXACTLY! i have hundreds of charts, and "crushed ice" isn't on them! everyone here is stumped... we design seafood display units.
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That is just for each cube. What size buckets are you using? I assume 5 gallon buckets? If so, then 1 US gallon = 3 785.41178 milliliters. Assume about 15% loss of mass due to shape of cubes and empty space.
5 buckets @ 5 gallon size = 25 US gallons = 94 635.0 milliliters

0.92 grams/mL * 94 635.0 milliliters = 87,604 grams = 198 pounds.

Subtract out 15% for empty space, 168.3 pounds
that's exactly it, i don't want to assume anything.

and wouldnt' you know it, i forgot my bucket at home today.
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that's exactly it, i don't want to assume anything.

and wouldnt' you know it, i forgot my bucket at home today.
All engineering is assumption that materials behave the way the book says. To avoid assumption you're going to have to do prototypes with the actual materials and sizes of the final product.
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What if the ice cube(s) melt while you're doing the calculation....wouldn't that change the outcome?
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you are right, the ice is always melting away, what we are looking for is how strong do these "ice pans" have to be.

this is nuts... if only i remembered to bring my car wash bucket to work, i'd be done!
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Thanks Alot,

First you asked about ice cubes, and now you say it is crushed ice. Now I have to start all over again.

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Ice weights as much as the water it takes to make it. the VOLUME changes due to expansion and the space between cubes.

Just let it all melt, measure the amount of water and multiply the gallon amount by 8.345. This will give you pounds....
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But wouldn't water from different parts of the coutry weigh more or less depending on the mineral content?
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Not significant but differing amounts of dissolved gasses in the water and the freezing rate will change impact how many bubbles are in the ice.

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And the more bubbles the lighter the cube will be!!

Same holds true in Ice Cream making. I was watching History Channel and they were talking about the mixing process determining the weight of the ice cream. A company that makes 20 gallons of ice cream is going to have lighter ice cream that a compant that makes 2 gallons of ice cream due to density. I can't recall the company but their pint weigh a pound!!!

Fascinating!!!
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you are right, the ice is always melting away, what we are looking for is how strong do these "ice pans" have to be.

this is nuts... if only i remembered to bring my car wash bucket to work, i'd be done!
Eddie, my calculations were the heavy end so if you assume that the ice weight would be at maximum there, you should be fine if your designs use that as 100% load limit.
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