I remember a long time ago where 65CobraDude had a bad experience at the Gainesville Raceway road track where while driving the outer loop all the oil went to one side and starved his engine causing it to blow. I am headed to that track in the next few weeks and am very anxious not to repeat that sad day. I have a stock LS1 with batwing oil pan. Is there any modification I can do to the pan such as a baffle that could help with this? In the original thread I remember reading a recommendation to add an extra qt of oil. Somehow this does not seem like a good idea to me but its not uncommon for me to be wrong. Any inputs would be greatly appreciated.
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Thx for reminding me That was an expensive and sad day. It happened on the sweeping right hand turn. I'd love to hear thoughts as well. You may want to post this on corvette forum too. I had a stock LS1 with an LS6 cam, heads and intake as well as batwing oil pan. I'll be watching this thread...
If you want to run high Gs and stress the engine repeatedly and not have it go BOOM! then the two areas that need addressing are the oiling and the timing chain. Of the two, I would either put a small dry sump system on the engine or MAKE SURE you do not turn sustained 1+ G loading. In other words 1+ G for anything more than a few seconds. Timing chain will be OK for a little while at least, but the oil starvation issue could destroy your engine in 10 seconds or less!
These are way easier to plumb than a dry-sump and give you some time before the engine goes boom. Never run one myself but many swear by them......and you can use it as a pre-oiler before start-up:
I have worked on ONE car that used that. IMHO it is a band aid, but as you say, it IS much easier to plumb, and it is also probably much cheaaper than a DS system. Probably a fine solution for an occasional track car, but I think I would still put a low pressure warning light with the sender ON THE BLOCK oil galley so that I was sure the oil pressure didn't go to zero.
I pull 1.8 G's on R-Comps during autocross runs so when I swapped to a LS1 in my Coupe I was also concerned about the batwing pan problems. I used a Champ pan on my old 302 with great success so I gave them a call. They now make a 10 qt baffled pan for the LS. That is what I went with and after 5 races with the new setup all is well.
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I pull 1.8 G's on R-Comps during autocross runs so when I swapped to a LS1 in my Coupe I was also concerned about the batwing pan problems. I used a Champ pan on my old 302 with great success so I gave them a call. They now make a 10 qt baffled pan for the LS. That is what I went with and after 5 races with the new setup all is well.
The factory manual says to overfill the batwing pan on a ZO6. I am pretty sure that the Champ pan will not fit the GTM, the Camaro pan will not fit, it is too low. JMHO, YMMV, Richard.
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I'm with Joel on the Accusump. Do a couple of searches here,,, lots of the C5 track day guys use them. A 3 quart seems to be the hot ticket. I'd be interested in knowing what you end up with.
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Please educate my as to why the timing chain would be an issue under G force. Truly interested
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Not an issue with G forces. It's a longevity issue, especially if you use anything more than the stock mild cam. Do a search on the internet and you will get plenty of hits on LS timing chain issues. It is no fun to have either an oiling problem or a timing chain issue. Both will result in a MAJOR repair bill.
I am pretty sure that the Champ pan will not fit the GTM, the Camaro pan will not fit, it is too low. JMHO, YMMV, Richard.
I do not understand what is different on your car, and/or why this statement continues to find its way into conversations on here. According to my measurement, Shane's experiences and comments on here, and numerous others that have done it, the "Camaro" pan fits just fine. The Camaro pan is what comes on the crate engines, I believe, and there are no issues with clearance.
I pull 1.8 G's on R-Comps during autocross runs so when I swapped to a LS1 in my Coupe I was also concerned about the batwing pan problems. I used a Champ pan on my old 302 with great success so I gave them a call. They now make a 10 qt baffled pan for the LS. That is what I went with and after 5 races with the new setup all is well.
The issue is not the G numbers. The issue is SUSTAINED Gs, which you likely will not see auto crossing. You could probably run the stock stuff auto crossing and be just fine.
Crash the batwing pan won't fit between the Coupe frame rails so it never was an option for me. The sustained G's is why I felt better with the 10 Qt pan. We do at times have a continuous 180 degree sweeper on the autocross course.
I just measured my batwing pan (2 piece) sitting on a table and it is 4 3/4" deep, so the champ pan is right at 3/4" deeper.
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Spd - I think I still have the Camaro oil pan from the replacement crate motor that you can have for shipping. It's brand new and comes with the pickup.
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That is most generous of you. I'll send you a PM. Just got off the phone with Canton Racing products. Ballpark price for 3 QT system with electronic monitoring and discharge is about $500. Cheap insurance in my opinion. Might be going that route as well.
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Just trying to help out the community. I did have the Accusump 3qt on my Spec and never had issue with it. I used the electronic control as well with a switch on the dash to pre-oil the engine and left it in the on position when racing.
You're right Don, in that the one above looks like it may be an inch or so lower, but since I was recently looking at the LS1 that WAS in the PDG car and seeing as though I had estimated that the engine could be lowered about an inch or so without having clearance issues with the pan, THAT is what I was basing my "maybe it will fit" comment. As you know, it all means nothing until you put it in there and try it.
Just a "heads up". LS3 crate motors (GMPP) come with a LS2/LS3 Corvette oil pan.
I don't think that is entirely corret as I understand that the new Vettes come with a semi dry sump system like what the LS7 had/has. So don't expect what you see on the Vette to come on the crate engines. They are a regular wet sump pan on the crate engines.
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That was an expensive and sad day. It happened on the sweeping right hand turn. I'd love to hear thoughts as well. You may want to post this on corvette forum too. I had a stock LS1 with an LS6 cam, heads and intake as well as batwing oil pan. I'll be watching this thread...
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