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Old 05-20-2002, 06:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This topic was suggested by Mark Weber at FFR, Inc and it's a good one!

What parts and part numbers are needed to do a build using all new parts; both live axle and IRS.

Just post what you know and we'll try to summarize this once we're done. Please help us on this one, it's a good one!
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Old 05-22-2002, 12:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 05-22-2002, 01:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow, tons of stuff.

IMHO the no donor builds almost always are pretty heavily customized, so I don't know that you could get an "exact" list.

Probably the easiest way would be to get a big pile of donor parts, tear them completely down and get ford part numbers for all of them.

I learned today that the 87-93 fuel filler neck is discontinued, and that you have to go with a '94 - '95 one if you want new.

I think the most irritating part of my no - donor part has been the #)$(*&#@)#*$& pedal box. (Which I'm still "fussing" with.)

The rest of it has been pretty straight forward so far thanks to several vendors and individuals that go the extra mile.

If a vendor wanted to put together an aftermarket pedal box that fitted the FFR and used the mustang parts, I'd buy it.

Some big parts that people frequently use:

M-2300-K, 5 Lug Cobra brake kit
M-4006-B355 or B373 - 8.8" traction lok rear (B355 is the 3.55 gearset, B373 is 3.73)
M-7553-A302 Heavy duty clutch fork & cable

Baer equivalent to the M-2300-K is Baer P/N: E7FM100595HN, but requires a spindle core charge.

M-6375-A302 Steel 157 tooth 28.2oz flywheel for 351W - Requires N602549-S51M pressure plate bolts and D1Fz-6397B dowel pins.

Stay AWAY from the FRPP 351W FOX headers, they look like a monkey welded them and clearanced them with a sledge.

M-7003-Z T-5Z Trans
M-7003-R58 Tremec 3550
M-6392-R58 Tremec Bellhousing

(All 3 of these parts can be had in better ways from either forum advertisers or elsewhere on the web.)

If you're a newbie that's never seen an FFR in "kit" form or doesn't know anyone with one reading this... If you are considering a no-donor build, a phone conversation with Mike Mack, Gordon Levy, or Richard Oben is probably the best place to start.

100% my opinion: I wouldn't DREAM of starting a no-donor build without several things:

1.) Lots of car (Preferably FOX Mustang) experience.
2.) Really comfortable with tools.
3.) Comfortable with what I would call "loosey goosey" or "I'll "figger" it out" parts lists.
4.) Web surfing time or experience with these sites.
5.) Willingness to engage others in the process. Some of the members on these forums have been a WORLD of help. Most of them are full of information, suggestions, and sometimes good humor. *Don't Lurk, participate*
6.) NOT intimidated by a BIG ASS Project.
7.) Personal enjoyment in chasing stuff down.
8.) Money. It's not a cheap way to go.

Ok.. sorry for the book. At least I stuck some part numbers in there.

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Thanks, pleeeaaase people. Help us out and put your 2 cents in.
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RE: Flywheel pressure plate bolts:

Ford no longer carries part# N602549-S51M. Does anyone know the exact size, thread count etc or the replacement part # for these? So far I've struck out from FMS to Autozone and beyond.

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Rebecca,

Summit carries ARP pressure plate bolts. Part number ARP-150-2201. $6.95 for a set of six.
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Lee,

Thanks!!! What would I do without you?
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I agree, it depends on how customized you want to go. What you need is a list of parts that will work together and a vendor to get the particular part. You should list multiple parts for a given part. (Did that make sense?) You need a dependancy list also. The trans dictates clutch options and bellhousing part numbers. The motor is the same way.

What you need is a computer program that asks questions and spits out part numbers. To that end, you do need to collect part numbers and dependancies. Some stuff you will have to get at a junk yard.

It will also help to find the guy in your area that is THEE Mustang guy. Kansas City has a couple of them. Richard Oben is one of'em.

JUNKYARD ITEMSOr parts section of Newspaper)
94-95 Front Spindles.
87-93 Pedal Box.
8.8 Rear end 87-93.
IRS Rear from SC TBird.

Clutch:
FMS Cobra clutch: 5 Star Ford
Dealer Clutch: 5STar Ford
Center Force Clutch: D&D Motorsports

Transmission:
T5: D&D Motorsports, Summit
Tremec TKO: D&D Motorsports, Summit
Tremec 3550: D&D Motorsports, Summit

Pulleys/Brackets: March (call Summit.)

IRS Hubs for 5x4.5 bolt pattern: 5 star ford

Brakes:
13" Cobra Front: DiscBrakesRus.com, 5 Star Ford, MPS.
6 piston: Wilwood (Summit)
Rear: Richard Oben's Bracket, 5 Star ford 94 GT Caliper AND COBRA Rotor.

Pedal Box:
Junkyard OR
Wilwood Reverse Mount
Tilton Reverse Mount

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presure plate bolts p/n N602549S51M
FLY WHEEL BOLTS P/N D2AZ6379B
BRAKE LIGHT SWITCH P/N E9ZZ13480
SPEED O CABLE P/N E6ZZ17260A
RELAY PACK INCUDES O2 SENSOR FMS P/N M-12071-K302
O2 HARNES FMS P/N M-12071-E302
TPS SENSOR P/N E6AZ9B989C
These are Ford p/n's unless noted by FMS

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There was a good thread earlier this month with a detailed list of front and rear suspension components. Here's another thread which has a more general list.

I'm doing a non-donor build and am also quite interested in this non-donor list. Give me a year (please, only a year ) and I'll have a full list when mine is finished.
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Careful with the ARP pressure plate bolts - they supply an american thread - the 5.0 flywheel takes metric threads. Did not know Ford discontinued - but Breeze still has some in stock.
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If a vendor wanted to put together an aftermarket pedal box that fitted the FFR and used the mustang parts, I'd buy it.
I was talking to one of the FFR vendors who was working on exactly that. I've no idea how far along it is and don't want to speak out of turn.
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Mike Forte carries the pressure plate bolts and also the flywheel bolts. I got mine from him for I think right around $10.

I'm building a donor/no-donor build (meaning that I've thrown away everything from the donor). How about FMS part numbers for the IRS parts (like the center carrier bolts) or at least bolt sizes and lengths.

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