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Old 11-01-2014, 01:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Snowblower recomendations

I've always been a shoveling kind of guy, but age is catching up with me so I'm finally looking to buy my first snowblower. I'm looking for recommendations for or warnings to stay away from certain manufacturers/models.

The top 10 in ConsumerReports.org ratings list is made up of 4 Cub Cadet and 2 Troy Built, Craftsman and Ariens models. When asking friends and coworkers I get a variety of feedback, but the one constant is those with Hondas love them. I've also heard Yamahas are very good but, like Hondas, are very expensive.

My driveway is single wide and short. Shoveling only takes 30 minutes. We can get a ton of snow depending on lake effect from Superior. Official average snowfall here varies depending on where you read from 120 - 190 inches. It can snow feet at a time here, but at most I get maybe 3 feet in the front yard. And as most others, I must deal with what the plow leaves at the end of the driveway.

Any advice you may have would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Love it Gordon. I'll take 2 with upgraded stage 5.5 408 strokers please. I wonder how the neighbors will like that at 6am?
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On a more serious note... Add me to the list of people recommending Honda snow blowers. Went through several other brands including mainly Toro, and get tired of regularly replacing. The Honda I have now is still like new and runs perfectly after 10+ years and our record snowfall last winter. Among other things, the 4-stroke Honda is a big improvement over the many 2-stroke options out there. Yes a little more expensive. But you won't be replacing it for a long time. Think long term value, not cost.

Although you don't have a lot of driveway, given those volumes I would hold out for a 2-stage unit. My single stage Honda does great with a few inches of snow. But when it gets as deep as you describe, probably not the best choice.
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worked on a few of the more popular brands I found ariens had better quality but lately a lot of the manufactures are going with engines made in China My choice of engines would be Briggs & Stratton hard to kill Then Techumseh.
Honda just to pricey when Ariens will last 30 yrs for the size driveway you have I feel for you living in the Sault snows everyday in the winter months beautifull in the summer.
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Thanks fellas.

edwardb, don't worry. I would never consider a single stage. Although we don't get snowed on every day, we can get lots at a time if the winds off of Superior are right.
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I have a 24" 2 stage Ariens. Great machine. Tire chains are worth it and help bust up the ice. Be careful of the big box store Ariens machines. They are not the true machine. The Chinese engine is a throw away type of design. Make sure it good old Briggs and Straton and it will be reliable.
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Speaking of "they don't make 'em like they used to" and "who makes what", I ran across this interesting web site and article...

2012-2013 Snow Blowers - Who Makes What? Craftsman, Ariens, Cub Cadet, Toro, Troy-Bilt, Snapper, Yardman, MTD Pro, Honda, Yard-Machines and MTD? - MovingSnow.com

edwardb, is you Honda a rack drive? How maneuverable is it? Does the hydrostatic drive allow the track to turn at different speeds when turning? as well, is your electric start or recoil? I went by my local Honda dealer today and liked the units but was not able to do a test drive. Wondering how easy they are to turn. The recoil start seems very easy.
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I chose wheels and chains on the tires over the track drive. I just found them not very maneuverable. Like when you clear a length of side walk and have to turn around on a pivot.
Again, I would. Steer away from big box stores. Many of their brands are made with Chinese LCT engines. They seem to work about as long as the warranty and then good luck getting it repaired. Honda, Troy, Toro, Ariens although sold at the big box stores are not the same machine that you would get from their respective dealers. They are usually a dressed down model that are about $200 cheaper than the same model from an oem dealer. I got burned on a Home Depot Ariens machine with an LCT engine. Worked great first year. Then year 2 carb problems. It never ran right after that. 3 months into 2 winter, magneto went and I scrapped it. Then I got educated and bought a commercial grade unit from a deal. Year 5 and still going dying. BTW at -30 electric start is nice.
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I actually just bought this craftsman listed in the reviews. I was going back and forth between this one and an Ariens. Similar Ariens relative to size and features was about 500 more. I was really surprised how well the craftsman were rated.
http://movingsnow.com/2013/craftsman...view-at-sears/
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edwardb, is you Honda a rack drive? How maneuverable is it? Does the hydrostatic drive allow the track to turn at different speeds when turning? as well, is your electric start or recoil? I went by my local Honda dealer today and liked the units but was not able to do a test drive. Wondering how easy they are to turn. The recoil start seems very easy.
The Honda I have is a real simple HS720AM single stage semi-self propelled auger drive. Adequate for the usually few inches of snow we get per storm. It's a manual start, and always starts on the first or second time. Even after sitting all summer. The quality difference between this brand and the previous ones I've had is really significant, which is why I recommended Honda. I can't comment about any of the higher end models or how they work. But I'm sure the quality would be similar.
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
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When we were transferred to Milwaukee I looked at all the different snow blowers and not really sure what was best. I asked the guy what do you use here at this store to clear the lot?
He pointed outside to.a.quad runner with a plow on it. Loved it like your own bulldozer. Enjoyed pushing snow. Fun times pulling all the neighborhood kids with it.
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I have a Craftsman 24 inch 2 stage with a briggs motor. It's been totally dependable and easily does the 6-18 inch storms that we get. If your storms are in the 24-36 range, you may need a bigger unit.

I have found that the 24 inch is a good size for my use, since I store it in the shed during the summer and it needs to go through a side door. Electric start has been great.

Wish that I would have bought this many years ago. It used to take me 60-90 mins of back breaking work to clear the driveway (24 x 60), now I can easily do the driveway and my sidewalk and the neighbor's sidewalks in 15-20 mins. It even does a better job than my shovel ever did.
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We have lived on corner lots and have had big driveways.

Our snow blower is an Ariens 5hp two stage and its about 30 years old now. Tecumseh engine.

I have replaced the drive wheel once, replaced the tires and rebuilt the carb once.

It starts in the fall and runs when needed.

Electric start would be nice, I may add it. Chains are necessary. I would not want a track system due to maneuverability. If it does shoot craps, then I would buy another one.

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Thanks again for all the feedback fellas. I've whittled the selection down to Ariens Premier 24", Cub Cadet HD 24", Toro HD 24" or Yamaha 24". The Yamaha dealer didn't have the new 24" models in yet, so I'm waiting to see them up close later next week before deciding. Yamaha & Honda models are almost identical, but Yamaha is about $1k less for comparable bells and whistles. Honda 24 with electric start is $3400, while the Yamaha is $2500. The others I mentioned are between $1500 and $2000. I've decided against the $1000 or less tin cans.

A few final questions fellas. Do any of you have experience with...
  • Polymer (aka plastic) discharge chutes? They all seem to be guaranteed for life, but old school guys steer clear of them for fear of breaking. The local Ariens/Cub Cadet/Toro dealer said he owns a Toro on which more than just the chute is this new polymer material and he hasn't had a problem. The also hasn't seen any brought back for repair. AS he put it, "It ain't your father's kind of plastic".
  • Electric chute controls? None of the salesmen I've talked with are really keen on the electric controls, except for Honda and Yamaha guys. They say they are not aware of any chronic issues.

Speaking of chutes, something I found interesting about the Yamaha units was that the impeller housing and steel chute are lined with UHMW, a slippery plastic, on the mid size and bigger units. Only the chute is lined on the smaller 24" model.
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The one question you always have to ask the dealer, Where do I need to take it for repair. If the store refers to a local dealer of that brand then check with them and make sure they actually will repair for that store under warranty. I got burned by Home Depot about 5 years ago. Which is also when I found out about Chinese LCT engines.
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conger, I've noticed that too. Yes, I've asked the question.
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I bought a 5 year old 10HP, 30" Canadian Tire special off of Kijiji last year for $400. Runs like a champ. Figure if I get 2-3 seasons out of it I'm way ahead and will just buy another one when/if it dies. My 2 cents for what its worth. Scott
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A nice thing about a 24" machine is only two passes clears the sideway. My son in law and I went shopping for a new machine for him last Friday. He picked a 21" Toro machine. It's the sweeper type with the kevlar paddle auger. His driveway is a short double wide so a larger 2 stage machine like I have would be a pain to use.
I think that is another good consideration when picking a snowblower. I see a lot of people get way too big a machine for their needs and they get sucked in by the features.
As far as electric controls, I think I would stick with cable type controls for simpler operation and repair.
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Thanks conger, I hear what you're saying about guys buying bigger machines than they need, but single stage units just can't handle the stuff the plow leaves at the end of the driveway here in the Soo.

Speaking of snow... wow, we got winter in a hurry this year. It started snowing 2 weeks ago. In less than 1 week, the official snowfall amount was 1 meter. Our normal total for the season is 3 meters, so we got 1/3 of our normal amount inside of 1 week. The lake effect off Superior has been crazy.

No I have not bought one yet. I'm still waiting for the 24" Yamahas to show up at the dealership. In the mean time I have a couple of neighborhood kids that have offered to shovel for $10, so I'm in no rush.
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If you can hold off til after Xmas I think you'll see the prices drop about 20% on new machines. I know what you me about the stuff at the end of the driveway. That's where I find those tire chains really shine. They keep the machine chewing forward in that heavy wet stuff.
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