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Old 10-07-2011, 03:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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HID Headlight upgrade

Just a note to anyone that is considering a headlight upgrade to HID....... do it , what a huge difference in nite driving in the fall here in Alberta . The kit is really simple with one slight mod to the the lite pot but other than that all plug and play. Todd at Wheels Plus in Edmonton can get the kit and it isnt that expensive for being able to see clearly at nite!!
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Dam you, now I have to upgrade something else My list is growing for the winter.

Looks good BTW!!

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Old 10-07-2011, 08:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's added to the list. One question, can it be added while still using the tri-bar lights?
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I did it to mine a year ago and I LOVE it!!
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. The kit is really simple with one slight mod to the the lite pot but other than that all plug and play.
Any detail on the kit, cost? who makes it?
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I also have them and they look and work great
we got headlights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's a comparison between regular sealed beams and HID...
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Its a Vision X 7" sealed beam replacement kit , cost on that was $89.99 and the H4 Silver Eagle HID Hi/Low 6000K kit $299.00 . All in with the Got Screwed Today tax was $409.98
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:57 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Its a Vision X 7" sealed beam replacement kit , cost on that was $89.99 and the H4 Silver Eagle HID Hi/Low 6000K kit $299.00 . All in with the Got Screwed Today tax was $409.98
What? No PST in Alberta? You lucky dog. Looks good.
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LOL not yet but with this new lady premier that was just voted in and her promising to influx over a $100,000,000 back to the teachers in 10 days its comin soon lol
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Whats the wattage rating on the HID bulbs?

Do they have a blue hue to them?
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Bill, not having seen the lights I can't comment with any degree of certainty, but looking at the part number it contains the numbers 6000K. In the lighting world 6000K would refer to the color temperature. In this case it would be 6000 Kelvin, which is very much towards the blue side of the spectrum. For reference, your standard sodium vapour street light is yellow and would reside around 2500 Kelvin. An Led will be in the 5000 Kelvin range. So the HID lights are bluish while the LED lights are not so blue but more white.

I am not a huge fan of the blue headlight look. I prefer something whiter. I guess the question to ask here is whether this kit is available in a 5000K?
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Just following up that last post, if you go to this website you can see the color temperature spectrum.

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My concern was, if they are a higher wattage than standard H4 bulbs, is the heat produced in the headlight unit, and if the amperage draw in the stock size wires, headlight switch, etc. could be more than they are rated for.

Odd that they don't show the wattage? I see this company offers a pure white one as well, for those that don't either like the blue, or if there is some legal aspects of running the blue colored lights.

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Bill, not having seen the lights I can't comment with any degree of certainty, but looking at the part number it contains the numbers 6000K. In the lighting world 6000K would refer to the color temperature. In this case it would be 6000 Kelvin, which is very much towards the blue side of the spectrum. For reference, your standard sodium vapour street light is yellow and would reside around 2500 Kelvin. An Led will be in the 5000 Kelvin range. So the HID lights are bluish while the LED lights are not so blue but more white.

I am not a huge fan of the blue headlight look. I prefer something whiter. I guess the question to ask here is whether this kit is available in a 5000K?
OEM HID bulbs are usually 4300K color temp, so 5k would be closer to white than the 6k.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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4300 is a reasonable color temperature, pretty white.

I am pretty sure an upgrade of this type will require adding a relay in the light circuit and increasing the size of the wire feeding the lamps.
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Interesting question from Bill about the HID being legal. From HID Canada's website:

Q: Are non-factory HIDs street legal?

A: Generally, no. This is the reason most automotive kits have a disclaimer stating "for off-road / show use only." The legality borders on "is it legal to have licence plate covers." Again, the answer is no. On the flip side, if you use HID kits responsibly, a properly installed and aimed HID system will have no more backscatter or glare than a factory system. Where people get into trouble is haphazardly installing HID kits into unsuitable reflector based systems, or using crazy color temperatures (eg. 8000k) which clearly show a (poor choice) aftermarket system is being used. This is akin to those using clear license plate covers versus dark smoked variants. We'll leave the discussion there.

They also suggest that 6000K is the best choice for good color and high light output. Sunlight is about 5800K.

HID headlamp burners (bulbs) produce between 2,800 and 3,500 lumens from between 35 and 38 watts of electrical power, while halogen filament headlamp bulbs produce between 700 and 2,100 lumens from between 40 and 72 watts at 12.8 V. You shouldn't have to upgrade headlight wiring for power consumption in that range. Common sealed beam and halogen lamps are often rated at 55 watts.
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For those wondering about blue lights, here is an excellent article on the matter.
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Aftermarket additions to vehicles are provincially regulated. Here is an excerpt from the Alberta Vehicle Inspection Regulation:

7.5 Inspecting for proper bulbs:
If a lamp designed to take filament bulbs is seen to emit significantly blue, purple, pink, or
multicoloured light, or if a lamp has a significantly blue, purple, or pink appearance when switched off and closely examined from straight ahead of the lens, it probably has been illegally retrofitted with Xenon HID bulbs or with filament bulbs having excessively coloured glass.


In Europe, HID lamps are required to have lens cleaning systems and also be self-leveling. Both of these features help to reduce the glare presented to oncoming drivers. These requirements don't yet exist in North America.

By the way, the Alberta regulations also list driver's side window tinting, license plate covers, and other things that we all see every day. If you install your headlamps in a way that doesn't blind other drivers, I don't know why anyone would give you a hard time about it. Just keep in mind that it isn't allowed.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but since you asked.......
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When i asked the mechanical inspector from the SAAQ here in Quebec, he explained to me that they hold a piece of white paper in the front of the headlight, if it shows up blue, it's a no go. I have 6000k and i'm ok.
But, the headlight housing on my car are NOT D.O.T. and was indecated on the box for use off road only.
Hella make a DOT but it's no a clear lens like this one.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:36 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Oh man, went out for a cruise with Perry and Mike last night. Mike's lights are so bright I still have a headache from him driving behind me. Gotta get a set of these. Perry and I should just have turned ours out and let Mike lead, he could have lit the way for all of us. This a great upgrade.

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That's right, Mike was "behind" us....heh, heh, heh

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Hey play nice i wasnt behind the whole time , lol . Just remember i just have a little guy in mine but it takes a licking and keeps uhhhh running lol
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