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Old 10-06-2011, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What are the typical spring rates used?

Time to increase my spring rates, still running the stock 250's in back. When pushed hard, the car's rear end rolls more than it should, and make the car over-steer.

Looking for suggestions for just the rear springs, or a new set-up at all corners.

If I recall correctly, the original street spring rate for a MkII with 3-link is 450 front, 250 rear?

I have the tubular suspension part sin front with a VPM sway bar, 3-link out back, no sway bar. Just looking to increase spring rates to get less body roll. On the track, I run the Kuhmo 710's.

Got an extra set of springs?

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Old 10-06-2011, 03:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I cant help with your answer as I never ran sway bar. But I have set up lots of spec racers and running high springs works. Doesnt do much for your problem but
here is the part that might help. i have lots of springs in the 500 to 800 range so if someone identifies what you need than maybe I can privide springs.
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most of the challenge guys run between 700-800 front and 450-600 rear. We run 700/500. At the same time though we do not have sways at the moment and those let you run less spring. We also don't drive these on the street very much.
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700/350 with ft and rr sways
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Std Challange cars are running 750 front and 500 rear.
many will vary the rear rate up or down depending on driving style.


I think you are on the way low side Dan.
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Mark,

What would your reccomendations be?

I still run it on the street on occasion, so do not want to be jarred to death.

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The normal recommendation to reduce oversteer is to soften rear springs or anti-roll bars and stiffen the fronts. Why would one increase the rear rate on a challenge series car in an attempt to reduce oversteer? Are the challenge series cars so different from other cars?
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The normal recommendation to reduce oversteer is to soften rear springs or anti-roll bars and stiffen the fronts. Why would one increase the rear rate on a challenge series car in an attempt to reduce oversteer? Are the challenge series cars so different from other cars?
The challenge cars have springs that are roughly double the street cars, and I still have the street springs in mine. I am looking to stiffen up the suspension.
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The challenge cars have springs that are roughly double the street cars, and I still have the street springs in mine. I am looking to stiffen up the suspension.
Ok. You said it oversteers because of the body roll when pushed. Hadn't heard body roll being a cause of oversteer. I'm no suspension expert, but my limited understanding is that, when you increase the rear spring rate or stiffen the anti-roll bar, it simply transfers weight faster, thereby increasing oversteer. That's assuming you don't do anything to the front.
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with my spring rates the ride is jarring when compared to the spring rates you have. I cant be in my car on the street for more than 15 minutes.
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Dan I run the same springs and shocks as Trevor with Kirkey seats (very little padding) and I think the ride is actually pretty decent. The wife doesn't complain either. Not many pot holes here in NC though so that could be the difference.
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