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Old 01-12-2012, 03:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is power steering a typical upgrade to this build?

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I didn't use it. With a car this light it's not a necessity but some really like it.
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I must have down graded. After 2 years of P/S I love the feel of the "manual" road.

Next we are all going to up grade to automatics.


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We weren't going to do PS but then I drove a friends car that has it. Now we have it.

HOWEVER! I also drove a car that has a really nice manual rack. Now we're thinking about switching back with the Flamming River manual rack.

Drive a car with each and see what you think...
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At speed, manual is fine, but on a parking lot or pulling into your driveway is a bit of a struggle.

I've driven 3 without it, but I'm installing it in mine. Also installing Power Brakes.
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From an old timer, the secret to a car without power steering is to get it moving slowly. It will steer just fine. Trouble is people are lazy. I'll bet this gets some rhetoric!!!!!

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I know it is not necessary...I don't have it on my Roadster. But sometimes when I am crawling in a parking lot I wish I did.

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At speed, manual is fine, but on a parking lot or pulling into your driveway is a bit of a struggle.
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Kinda the best of both worlds.

We are developing the entire "kit" right now, but the controller is available if you want to build your own system.

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From an old timer, the secret to a car without power steering is to get it moving slowly. It will steer just fine. Trouble is people are lazy. I'll bet this gets some rhetoric!!!!!

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Yup I agree..You can not be have the car still and turn the wheel unless you want an arm work out..You will be surprised how easy it turns moving about 1 MPH then completely still..
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I built my Coupe to run in Auto-x events and have added a few things over the years. SAI mod, front and rear VPM bars and after I add the Konis that I got from a forum member to change spring rates my next project is electric power steering. I like fast freddys unit which I have seen on a few cars. You can check this out if you just search for Fastfreddys fabrications. It's a quality kit and much easier to install as you build your car, trust me I know. I added a number of mods to mine which required disassembly, realignment etc. It's easier to build it then dissasemble it.
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Don't forget that within the realm of manual steering racks you also have to consider the ratio. I had a 3.3 turns to lock manual rack in the car originally and probably did 10 trackdays that way. Talk about a workout!

When I swapped to a Flaming River 4.0 TTL (FR part # FR1503) it was a night and day difference. Much easier on the arms of course and easier to deal with at low speeds, but I think equally importantly it provides more fine tunability when correcting oversteer.

I saw John George up at Watkins Glen this year and he was shocked that we were running manual racks on the track. For long races I can see how it would be a must but we're just on the track for fun, no longer than 30-45 mins or so per stint. Maybe I'll swap down the road but for now I'll keep rolling with what I've got, which is better than what I had.
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I couldn't help but notice that nobody has asked the question yet-

What exactly do you plan to do with the car?

Mine's a daily driver. PS/PB just make life easier.
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From an old timer, the secret to a car without power steering is to get it moving slowly. It will steer just fine. Trouble is people are lazy. I'll bet this gets some rhetoric!!!!!

Bill
+1.

I drove a lot of cars and trucks that did not have power steering. Never turn the wheel while sitting still.

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I went with a Hydraboost unit for power steering and power brakes and used a Heidts adjustable power steering valve on the steering side. I can adjust how much power i want to the steering. I have mine dialed to midway which gives me a good road feel but is not too light feeling. For high speed racing you can dial it to full manual if you like. Below is a link to the valve.
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I mainly plan to use the car for cruising but definitely some track days too.

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Got power steering, wish I had power brakes. I got Gordons upgrade brakes in the rear. Although the rears lock up, the pedal effort is huge!! Wish I'd gone with power. Don't let Gordon talk you into non power. I think if you were to use your car for track use, he'd be right, but for a guy like myself, power is a better choice. Gordons a great guy, but I think power brakes are better for a cruiser like me

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I started out with a manual rack and a smaller Momo steering wheel. It was fine when you were moving, but tough on the track and parking. I went with the AGR quick ration rack and love it.
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Got power steering, wish I had power brakes. I got Gordons upgrade brakes in the rear. Although the rears lock up, the pedal effort is huge!! Wish I'd gone with power. Don't let Gordon talk you into non power. I think if you were to use your car for track use, he'd be right, but for a guy like myself, power is a better choice. Gordons a great guy, but I think power brakes are better for a cruiser like me

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Did you get only the rear set up from Gordon? What fronts do you have? That may be the problem. Too much rear and not enough front?

I love the set up we have. They aren't like driving a Caddy, but the pressure needed is not bad at all. Balanced and stops the car like I dropped an anchor.
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Most street cars I build have a 20-1 manual rack. Cars that get track duty I put in power steering. I have power steering in my car.
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That's simply a high pressure cut out valve. It is whatever you set it at no matter what the driving conditions are. Check out the My Race Shop option. It is a DYNAMIC system. The pressure changes with vehicle speed, the controller map is user adjustable, and there is a dash board reostat option that allows "on the fly" curve adjustment as far as over all assist. It's really a system that is at a totally different level. Should run about $1000 for rack, pump, and controller. It also uses a Toyota electric power steering pump which frees up HORSEPOWER.

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I went with a Hydraboost unit for power steering and power brakes and used a Heidts adjustable power steering valve on the steering side. I can adjust how much power i want to the steering. I have mine dialed to midway which gives me a good road feel but is not too light feeling. For high speed racing you can dial it to full manual if you like. Below is a link to the valve.
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How do you do the power steering? Does anyone have pictures of the set up you used?

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I bought the March pulley setup and bought a PS pump for a 93 mustang.
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Hi Joe:

No...looking at buying a kit. I have the building bug again. However, who is Lee and what does he have for sale? I will check the for sale area.

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