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I knew I should have........ Please Don't make my mistake.

I knew I should have done it, but I didn't! Stupid me!!

Well. I knew I should have put gasket sealant when replacing the freeze plugs! I didn't at the time that I did it, but I did read about it while the motor was still in the stand. But I had just painted it (my pathetic excuse). I'm sure it will be fine, blah, blah, blah!

I pressure tested the cooling system today, and ready to give it a drive this week!! But instead, I found a water spot under the motor. It's coming from the freeze plugs that I replaced and didn't put sealant with the plug. Now I need to redo, all because of my laziness. It looks like I'm going to need to pull the motor to do it correct! One of them are between the motor mount bolts into the block.

Please don't do what I did. Take the extra step everytime you have the chance. Learn from my mistake. I feel like such a dumba$$. Frustrated with myself and embarrassed.

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we have all done things like that. Or at least I have.

Last week I put a new water pump in my rough old '79 Ford truck. I did not take the time to clean and silicone (RTV) the three long bolts that go thought timing chain cover. Crank the motor and let it run for 20 minutes. Small drip from one of the bolts.
Yesterday I pulled the fan shroud and fan off so I could do it correctly. Also had to remove the brackets that held the alternator and power steering pump. Got RTV on a good t-shirt.


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Wait . . .

Dave,

Wait a bit before you jump right in to pull the engine out to replace these freeze plugs. If you have other things to do [to the car] that won't get in the way of removing the engine down the line, do those things now.
Freeze plugs have a way of rusting internally and sealing themselves up with no participation from the guy(s) that didn't use sealant . . .

Most cars, the one behind the mount is do-able but in our cars, maybe yes, maybe no. And - that's if you have the proper tool for installing freeze plugs.

FWIW, when I worked for FORD, we never used sealant . . . just knocked the old ones out and replaced with new ones. We were on a clock and pressed for time. Not sayin' it's right but never had a car return with a leak. We didn't have the luxury of pulling the engine out but did have the installer tool.

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I have replaced them in the car, at least one or two, and one was behind the motor mount. I just lifted the motor with a block and jack and took out the mount, banged it in and hasnt leaked since. The plugs you have there look like the shallow ones, maybe look for some with twice the depth since they have twice the surface area to seal. I dont usually use sealant when installing either. You could try some green loctite, it wicks into the space and hardens, the guys at the shop use it whenever they weld sumps on gas tanks or anything else they want to be double sure it wont leak. Its worth a try. Good Luck getting back on the road.

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I replaced 3 on one side in the car. Just need to get the install tool, was not a big problem
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I second the high quality sealer. GM LS motors came pre packaged wit the stuff. Ask the GTM guys that bought crate engines.
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I'm with Doc, Chuck and Mike. Before getting too deep try a sealer. Back in the day this was "the good stuff" (like me Doc probably remembers when it was in the little yellow and black metal can):

https://barsleaks.com/product/pellet...uty-stop-leak/

Nothing to lose but a few bucks by giving it a try Dave. Be sure to follow the rules and let it get to full operating temperature.

Then and now I always put plugs in with brush on Permatex Form A Gasket (or for another throwback that I'm sure my friend Doc will recognize...Indian Head Gasket Shellac!).

My "I knew I should have..." story---I knew I should have never married that first one

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Thank you for the advice, recommendations and sharing what you have done in the past.

I didn't do any more work on the car yesterday after finding my leaks (there's also one in the water pump/timing cover surface).

I'll update later. I'll definitely continue working forward and try to get a lot of other items done.

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Jeff,

Thanks for the Indian Head Gasket Shellac! blast from the past.

I had a good laugh remembering all those Old School things we did back then.

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But they worked didn't they? As Jacob the Amish I.T. guy says while whacking a computer with a wooden mallet..."Sometimes the old ways are the best ways"

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But they worked didn't they? As Jacob the Amish I.T. guy says while whacking a computer with a wooden mallet..."Sometimes the old ways are the best ways"

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