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Whats the latest, greatest alignment specs?

I just searched alignments specs and its all over the place.
I have a MK4, non power steering rack , what ever comes with the complete kit. Heavy ars FE motor in the front end. Straight axle in the rear., 3 link
What I want is it to go straight... Street car only setup, no racing setup. I don't want the "racing look" tops way in. I don't want it to twitch or jerk all over the road when it goes over an asphalt seam in the road. Just a good simple setup. OH and I have 15" tires.


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1/2 degree negative camber, 3 degrees positive caster, 3/32" toe in (in, not out).

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Does the same apply to power steering only increase the caster to 6-8 degrees? -- Chuck

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1/2 degree negative camber, 3 degrees positive caster, 3/32" toe in (in, not out).

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I think that would be just about perfect.

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Does the same apply to power steering only increase the caster to 6-8 degrees? -- Chuck

Yes. Watch the adjuster sleeve thread engagement.

Al,
I should have mentioned---tire pressure at 24-25 PSI.

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Running 1.5 degrees neg camber, 4 degrees caster, toe straight


More of a track set-up


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1/2 degree negative camber, 3 degrees positive caster, 3/32" toe in (in, not out).

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Is this 3/32" total toe in?

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Be sure your frame height is set before the front end setting.

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What Bob and Jeff said . . .

My MKII is 100% street / highway driven - SBF - manual steering - 3-link - 17's.

It is set to:
1/2 degree negative camber, 3 degrees positive caster, 3/32" toe in. I run Nitto 555 tires (first generation) and the car tracks like a bullet fired from a rifle.

That 'jerky" feeling going over seams in the asphalt (or any other hard road surface) is called "tram lining". You can align some of it out but it's mostly caused by tread pattern - I originally had BF Goodrich TA KDW's and the car would tram line everywhere. When I switched to the Nitto's, with no alignment changes at all, car road over those same lines like they weren't there at all. Major difference in ride quality too.

Hope that "steers you" (pun intended) in the right direction.

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Rear IRS Alignment

There is also an Alignment for those of us that have rear IRS, as I do.

For the rear IRS alignment, (the original IRS)

Camber -1 degree
toe in 1/16 total


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Definitely go with toe in. I went with toe out with power steering and it's way too twitchy. I'm at about 6 degrees of caster with -2 degrees of camber.

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I drive mostly on the street with an occasional autocross for fun. Based on what I've read here and my MKlll with power steering the numbers are:

6 degrees Castor
-2 degrees Camber
3/32" of toe-in

Is that good? I'm going to have a shop do it for me. This is out of my wheel house...

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A little more caster, 7*, less camber, try -.5, and 1/16to 3/32" total toe-in
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I accidentally had more caster than planned in my car for a while, over 12 degrees (with power steering). Car tracked super straight, easy on the freeway, very stable in autocross.

Not good for autocross because of inside rear wheelspin on corner exit, but very nice otherwise for driving. If I were 100% street, I'd do way too much caster again in such a short wheelbase car.

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