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Anyone Using Hydroboost with SBF

Has anyone used the hydroboost power steering and power brakes with a SBF (302 or 351)?

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How did you make the pump bracket and the belts work?

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You buy a steering pump bracket that works with your current belt configuration. If you're using a serpentine belt, there are power steering pump brackets available. I think some guys use the CFR performance bracket. Breeze has a pump & bracket that works too.

The hose routing is a bit more cumbersome than using a vacuum setup, but it's workable. I ran my lines through a cooler using the oil cooler opening to help keep the fluid from frothing up.

I used brackets from Whitby, but I have AC in my car too and at the time, he sold a setup that worked for both the compressor and PS pump.

What pedal box do you have in your car? I have a fox pedal box and it was a bit of work to make it mount up to the hydroboost.

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I'm using March brackets for alternator and Mustang PS pump that work fine with serpentine belt & pulleys on a 351W. Fairly conventional, you can see the layout from March here:

March Performance - Ford 289, 302, 351W : Deluxe

There are many other possibilities, as the hydrobooster doesn't really care too much about which way your accessories are oriented. Are you working with OEM Ford hardware or something aftermarket?

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Hello Wade
I originally bought a March bracket and pulley and an OEM Mustang power steering pump. The problem that I had with this is as follows:
The fluid level in the attached reservoir on the OEM pump was about 8" below the top of the hydroboost mechanism. The power steering was constantly sucking air when you turn from rack to rack, because either there was unresolved air in the lines that could not be burped due to the configuration, or that the fluid finds its natural level and leaves air in the system. I then changed to the Breeze pump with the detached reservoir. Since I made the change, I have not had a problem with it.




Hmm... looks like that radiator hose needs to be adjusted...

The reservoir with the red arrow is the power steering reservoir


Hydroboost unit is under and behind the brake and clutch reservoirs.



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Thanks guys. I am using hydroboost, fluid lines and pedal box from a 1998 Mustang. Power steering pump is from a 2002 Mustang 4.6 sohc.

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My car is still in storage, plenty of snow still here in Maine. If needed, I will get you some photos of my setup in early April......

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Wade,

Are you running a 302 (5.0) or a 351 engine? Your sig says 4.6 but your question was about 302 or 351? With a 302, there are factory accessory brackets and adapters that can help mount your alternator and OEM PS pump in a functional config. With 351, the taller deck generally means you need to be a little more creative and/or source aftermarket hardware to mount your alt. & PS pump etc. Serpentine belt is probably the most common option but people have configured v-belts to do the job as well. Steve's (sejust2009)setup is really cool but I've not experienced the low fluid volume problem he's described. I have plenty of driving miles on my car since 2007!

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If you go w/ a Breeze mount that bolts to the head the only difference between a 302 and 351 is belt length.


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Wade,

Are you running a 302 (5.0) or a 351 engine? Your sig says 4.6 but your question was about 302 or 351? With a 302, there are factory accessory brackets and adapters that can help mount your alternator and OEM PS pump in a functional config. With 351, the taller deck generally means you need to be a little more creative and/or source aftermarket hardware to mount your alt. & PS pump etc. Serpentine belt is probably the most common option but people have configured v-belts to do the job as well. Steve's (sejust2009)setup is really cool but I've not experienced the low fluid volume problem he's described. I have plenty of driving miles on my car since 2007!

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I have a 4.6 sohc engine now, but just saw a pretty good deal on a 347 stroker and I am trying understand how painful it would be to switch to the 347. I would like to keep the hydroboost power brakes and steering setup and not get into changes in those areas. Buying and changing the engine, trans, clutch and driveshaft will be enough pain for me. LOL

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If you go w/ a Breeze mount that bolts to the head the only difference between a 302 and 351 is belt length.
You're right. I was just pointing out that the factory OEM hardware is designed to fit the 302 block size. Aftermarket options like Breeze offers, can incorporate the 351 as well.

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I have a 4.6 sohc engine now, but just saw a pretty good deal on a 347 stroker and I am trying understand how painful it would be to switch to the 347. I would like to keep the hydroboost power brakes and steering setup and not get into changes in those areas. Buying and changing the engine, trans, clutch and driveshaft will be enough pain for me. LOL

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Wow! Must be a heck of a deal!?

My personal experience is hydroboost is not that much more work than simply making the decision to keep or add PS. In your case, you will need a new PS pump and mounting hardware as I don't think I have seen a way to utilize the mod motor PS pump on a sbf. You will need to make the decision about serpentine vs. v-belt and also whether you want to modify your factory lines or make/purchase custom fit PS lines to suit. Other than tweaking them and tucking the extra length away as best you can, the factory lines can be made to work. Custom lines are just a bit tidier and, well, not nearly 20 years old!

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Thanks Sean. I have a local hydraulic shop that can modify the lines. And yes, I expected to have to buy a new PS pump.

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