I look forward to see what this forum has to say. I have contemplated getting ceramic coating on my FFR and my daily driver. Every car i have seen with a ceramic coating looks amazing, there are no scratches and they never have to wash it. Just hose it off and you are done.
True ceramic coatings have to be baked at 600 deg. for a couple hours, which makes doing body parts next to impossible. Not to mention tumbling them to polish the ceramic. If you're confusing ceramic with powder, the process is nearly the same. Bake time is 20 min. at 400 deg. We do fender liners and suspension parts as well ad all the aluminum panels for FFR's but a regular car would be next to impossible. Now if you're talking exhaust coating, (what it's designed for) that is doable. Mike
Thank you... Yes, that is what I'm talking about.. The use of the label "Ceramic" is really not correct in that the coatings are not ceramic at all. Evidently the term is used to indicate that the surface takes on a hardness similar to ceramic...
Same "snake oil" different bottle. I do like the resists bird shit and has self healing properties....I could use that as a body wash...or better yet I could wash my heard of unicorns. I would rather see guys buy Zaino Bros products instead of this state fair stuff.....and have money left over to buy car parts IMHO :grin2:...da Bat
Not sure if you know how the ceramic coating works but you should check it out before you knock it. I have seen cars that have had ceramic coating on them for years and they are perfect. Nothing sticks to them. Not one scratch, its amazing. Its not fake stuff, its legit.
I had the ceramic pro coating applied last summer. Finish now constantly feels like glass, nothing sticks to it. I wipe it down with microfiber and distilled water. Bugs ect come right off, haven't waxed it since June.
I had the ceramic pro coating applied last summer. Finish now constantly feels like glass, nothing sticks to it. I wipe it down with microfiber and distilled water. Bugs ect come right off, haven't waxed it since June.
I don't know these products. Maybe they are great. But every product claims to be.
The Nano Ceramic link has some big scientific words all jumbled together, which is usually a Red Flag.
"1.A ceramic polymer backbone cross-link with specially modified nanoparticles within a three-dimensional matrix on the surface to provide the ultimate in durability and gloss."
WOW! That's impressive! Let's apply some critical thinking.
Ceramic - well actually, they admit it's not ceramic. It's "ceramic-like". They just mean that it's hard. Ceramic is hard. So they are using that. Clay baked in an oven is ceramic. Why is that word impressive?
Polymer - a substance that has a molecular structure consisting chiefly or entirely of a large number of similar units bonded together. So what? Scotch tape is a polymer.
backbone cross-link - One polymer link connected to another. Pretty much describes any plastic compound or protein. They could mean that it chemically binds (sticks to) the paint. Scotch tape will do that.
specially modified - could mean anything. I can "specially modify" a beer can by smashing it on my forehead. Scotch tape has been specially modified with an adhesive.
Nanoparticles - small particles (1 - 100 nanometers). I guess that is better than big chunks. Sounds cool though.
Three dimensional matrix - We live in a three dimensional world, so everything physical is three dimensional. Anything that anything else goes on in or is formed in, is a matrix. A glass of water is a three dimensional matrix (water) inside of a three dimensional matrix (glass). Burn one down and think about that!
So, that impressive scientific sounding sentence, isn't actually saying much. That kind of marketing BS steers me away from products. This is also the kind of stuff that car dealers sell as "paint protection that never needs waxing". (And laugh in the back room when you buy it) I have yet to see that hold up for any of my friends. I am sure it does something. But NOTHING that you put on your paint will hold up to the elements and sand blasting that a car gets for its lifetime. Even the clear bra stuff (MUCH thicker) gets damaged and has to be replaced.
I had mine coated with a ceramic coating called C-quartz back in October 2015 and it still looks new and as smooth as glass today, I paid $750 then. Havent washed it yet, just spray and wipe down. I have never waxed it.
This pic was last week.
some of the guy's at the local cars and coffee have had there cars treated to one of these ceramic coatings, when you look at the car with polarized
sun glasses you can see all the swirls from the application. not good.
HTH
Tim
Yeah Ive seen some swirls in some of the coatings at shows, asked around with those guys about where they got it done and found out they were from the same two places and they were cheaper shops. The really good ones that are professionally done are gonna cost a little extra but you get what you pay for. Mine wasnt cheap but not any flaws that I can see and looks better than the day I got it from paint shop. If my painter is reading this I was very happy when I picked it up from you I thought it was perfect then. I was just getting the paint protected and ended up getting it perfected. Mine is a driver but looks like a trailer queen when it goes to shows. Ok, I will throw th BS flag on myself, I do trailer to shows occasionally. In my opinion if you have the money left over after what we spend on a paint jobs its well worth the extra cash to protect the investment.
Yeah, I think I would be less than happy with permanent swirls in my paint...
The black Rubicon needs this stuff I think.. I was on an every other day wash cycle on this truck last summer and don't want to repeat that...
FYI - Autopia is having a "Hydrophobic Happy Hour" for the next 8 hours offering 15 percent off their nano products: Hydrophobic Happy Hour! Can't hear "hydrophobia" without thinking of poor "Old Yeller". Wonder if the nano would repel my tears?
There are many "ceramic-like" paint coatings out there. Like any product there are good ones and not-so-good ones. Non of them are really lifetime products. My son is a certified IGL product detailer. Even IGL has more than one product, each having a different hardness and lifetime. The highest level product they have has a 5 year warranty. I don't know as much as he does about these but I have learned that there is a specific application technique that is essential to getting a good end result. He spends almost a full day prepping the car before applying the first coat. In all it can be a 3 day process to complete the job and it must be in a controlled environment. Not near as restrictive as painting but humidity and temperature do play into how good the end result is. Many of the cars he does are dirrect from the factory with less than 100 miles one them. He will still spend a great deal of time prepping the paint before starting, some manufacturers more than others. The end result is incredible. Many of his customers comment that the color of the car has changed, and often it does appear so because it has so much more depth in the appearance when looking at it. And yes as previously stated, only a light wash for the next 5 years.
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