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car show category?

I am bringing my FFR MK4 to a local show and they provided me with 10 different categories that i can resister my car in and i am not sure which category to choose. Out of the categories below which would you choose?

1. Brass and Antique (all makes) thru 1925
2. Classic Era (all makes) 1926-1948
3. European Production 1949-1995
4. American Classics 1949-1979
5. American Classics 1980-1995
6. Hot Rods
7. Muscle Cars
8. Modern Exotics (all makes) 1995 & newer
9. Race Cars
10. Resto Mod

I'm thinking either American Classic or Race Cars. Thoughts?


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I would go with American Classic. Always hard to pick because we can fit different categories.
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Those are tough classifications for a FFR Cobra. The best classification is "Kit Car", but in your case, I think I would go with Resto Mod (but not sure what will include.

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Used Race cars in a British Sports Car Club show & American classic in an "open" show.

Alternative is tell them what you have & let them classify it. That's what I did at the BSCC show. Was a peoples choice judging show, got a second place in that one.


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FWIW, I've always used (#4) American Classic. That seems to work for about 90% of the shows I've attended in the past . . . won most of my trophies in that category.

After all, isn't the Cobra THE american classic??

Just my 2¢ - and I'm biased.

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+1 on American classics. Unless you have the markings and such of a race car. Then I might go in it. A couple of meatballs and a team stripe maybe.
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If and when I went to car show/cruise-in, I asked them what class to put my cobra in? My cobra has been in many different type of classes(and even won a few) lol
Some of the classes I have been in:
1. Sports car
2. Muscle car
3. American classic 60-65
4. Convertible
5. Ford car 60-65
6. Ford Mustang(?) 60-65
7. Kit Car
8. 2 seater
9. Ect
Just to name a few classes I have been in.
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I agree with you guys, it is most likely an american classic but what about the fact that the Cobra was made to be a race car?

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I agree with you guys, it is most likely an american classic but what about the fact that the Cobra was made to be a race car?
Au contraire,
Here is the breakdown of the 998 "true" original Cobras manufactured in the 1960's:

You can see that there were only 33 total factory prepared 260ci and 289ci factory prepared race cars, and 83 427's.

Leaf Spring Cobras:
260 ci engine Street Cars - 62
260 ci engine Factory Works racers - 4
260 ci engine Factory-prepared racers - 1
260 ci engine Independently-prepared racers - 7
260 ci engine Dragonsnake - 1
Total 260 ci engine production - 75
289 ci engine Street Cars - 453
289 ci engine Factory Works racers:
-Standard Competition - 2
-Sebring race cars - 3
-LeMans race cars - 2
-LeMans replica racers - 3
-427 Prototype Flip-Top - 1
-289 FIA cars - 5
-Daytona Coupes - 6
-USSRC Roadsters - 6
Total 289 ci Works race cars - 28

289 ci engine Factory-prepared competition cars:
-Standard Competition - 2
-LeMans prototype - 1
-LeMans replicas - 3
-USRRC roadsters - 5
Total Factory prepared competition cars - 11

289 ci engine Independently prepared competition cars - 21
289 ci engine Dragonsnakes - 4
289 ci engine bare chassis for Mercer Cobra - 1
289 ci engine Willment Racing Coupe - 1
289 ci engine COB/COX Street Cars - 59
289 ci engine COB/COX Race Cars - 2
Total 289 ci engine Cobra - 580

Total Leaf Spring Cobra 260 & 289 cars - 655


Coil Spring Cobras:
427 Street Cars - 260
427 Prototype Competition Roadsters - 2
427 Production Competition Roadsters - 19
427 Semi-Competition Roadsters (S/C) - 31
427 Daytona Super Coupe - 1
427 Chassis only - 3
289 COB/COX Cars - 27
(427 Paramount Film Cars - 5, have been removed from the original Cobra totals)

Total Coil Spring Cobra - 343

GRAND TOTAL Leaf and Coil spring cars - 998

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As far as race cars, I enter mine in that class, as it is currently a race car. Track car, not a street car. Slicks, roll cage, aero, suspension & brakes, numbers, more, not a cushy car.

99.9% of FFR's are street cars. Yes, the original design was to race a competition version back in the 1960's, but the bulk of the cars, and the one's ours are based on were street cars. John's breakdown of the numbers shows that. Specific Competition models produced.


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Do you want to win a trophy, or have fun?.
To have fun, the class would be XP. You will be driving your car rather than sitting in a lawn chair next to it.

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American Classics is a huge category, even with the year limitations, and tons of competition. To bad they didn't have a sports car class.
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To have fun, the class would be XP. You will be driving your car rather than sitting in a lawn chair next to it.
Agree But it takes all kinds so if someone prefers the lawn chair deal that's OK too. I've driven mine to shows to attend as a specatator. One time I had one of the workers try to direct me out onto the show field...had to tell him that I just wanted to go the parking lot and that I was there to SEE the show, not BE the show!

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Even though I was firm before, agreed with jeff, I rarely enter car shows.

Now Cruise nights, always! It's so much fun plunking small kids into the car, let them pretend drive. Makes their day. Usually their parents too! And no competing at cruise nights, just fun.

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I have done 3 shows, remembered to bring my chair. Have also run in XP & remembered to bring my chair there too.

Will probably do both again this season.


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Several years ago in July Coach and I drove our Cobras to a car show sponsored by a Tennessee old school hot rod club. "If it ain't steel it ain't real" bunch. Now don't get me wrong, great bunch of guys and they put on a great show.

Back to the story, we pulled up the entrance and the guy with the check in sheet ask us what class we were in? They had 49 classes. I told him I did care. So he pick class 49 "other".
We drove to our assigned spot and found a tractor and a, I think, 84 Cadillac. The ugliest car every made (in my opinion).

The owner of the Cadillac had a tent and asked us to join he and his girl friend. The shade was very welcome because it was in the high 90's that day. We heard all about the Cadillac and how the Shah had owned a Cadillac like his. Still a ugly car.

About the time they called all the car owners into a building to give out trophies.Coach and I packed up our chair and headed home.

A few weeks later we were attending a local car show and met the Cadillac owner in the parking lot. He was furious as he told us the tractor with a Chevy motor. The tractor had won our class. The more he talked about it the madder he got. I thought he was going out on high head pressure. The more I told him it did not matter the madder he got. He said it was "a Car And Truck show not a tractor show".
Well the next year I received an invitation from the Hot Rod Club to attend their show again. It was Saturday morning and I was in a good mood so I called the President of the club. I told him I was surprised they had invited us back because we had fake plastic cars and they had given our class trophy to a tractor. The more excuses he made the more I kept bring up the tractor. Sometime I would have to cover the mouth piece on the phone to keep him from hearing me laughing. I played it for several minutes and then thanked him and hung up.
Now I'm telling the tractor story every time I get a bunch of car guys together. Good story I thought.
We did not get a chance to go that year but the next year we had about six or seven Cobras show up.
They put us into a mid sixty class with a lot of very nice Chevys. I mean show winners. After a couple of hours they came to us and asked if they could split the class because they how so many in it. We all agreed.

This year we stayed for the trophy and prizes.
Every one of the Cobra guys got a trophy for his car. Best interior, best paint, best bottom side, best tires, best of the best.

Our group does not care about trophies. And through the years we have attended shows where everybody gets a trophy. I don't think that's the way to run a car show but it's their show.

My Cobra was yellow, not a trophy wining color. It was a "kit car", not a trophy winner with all the nice old cars at a show. It had a fuel injected motor in a sixty's car, not a trophy wining set up in a old car. I build my car to drive, not to win trophies.

But we love to go to the shows and meet people and see other car that people care a lot about. Some are special and most are just old cars that bring back great memories.

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good story and you can tell it at your next car guy get together if you want. The tractor did look good and it had a Chevy motor in it. Looked better than the Caddie, lot better.

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Ok found the pictures of the 1982 Cadillac

What is your vote, ugly? or beauty queen?




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I'd vote for the tractor.


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I'd vote for the tractor.
I thought that was the tractor.

Seriously though, as much as we might deride the car, it deserves an entry every bit as much as any other car. From a preservation perspective it's important to have record of the beauties and the beasts. As much as I might think it's as ugly as a bulldog chewing a wasp, I can respect the effort that goes into its restoration and general maintenance.

There was a Dodge Magnum at a local show I went to recently (I incidentally own a 225,000 mile Magnum myself). All white, white engine, neons everywhere, Lambo doors front AND rear. In my eye quite the most horrendous thing I'd ever seen. It won its class.

More on topic - the first show I went to (as mentioned in my sig) was 5 days after getting my plates. No paint, no body work, carpets, nothing. Still had gel seams and dust from where I'd done some sanding the day before. Entering the show was a 'Oh, ok' response when I arrived and was asked if entering - I went on to win a Sweet 16 award. I'm sure there were many who looked at my ride with the same viewpoint we'd view the tractor. Each to his own.

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Shows are fun and that is the point. Enjoying the company and conversation, seeing some nice cars. If not getting a trophy aggravates you, then try another activity, like car cruises or auto-x.

My first show I entered was open to all years and makes. I don't remember having any categories, or classes. There were many, many very nice classics and hot rods, but also the late model clubs showed up. They brought their Magnums, Challengers, and 8th generation Mustangs. Most were factory stock. They took home all of the trophies. It was participant judged and the clubs all voted for each other. I imagine, as they go show to show, they decide ahead of time who to vote for so they can spread the trophies around.

Not a bad tactic. So gather up all yer F5R buddies and hit the show circuit!

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The local Porsche dealer has a show every year, and a couple of years ago, the peoples choice award went to a tractor. A 1959 Porsche tractor. How many of us have actually seen one or even knew that they were available. I didn't, and this one was immaculate. Not over restored, but done as a tractor was probably done from the factory. It was a 2 cylinder diesel.

As for myself, I do enjoy going to shows, but I usually don't even put out the registration sign. I do not place much value on a cheap trophy. I do appreciate most of the conversations, and the interaction of those who have a genuine interest, especially the kids.

Quite often I try to be a spectator and walk up to my own car to hear what is being said. Some of the comments can be very entertaining, and then when I walk around to the trunk to get a bottle of water the looks on their face can be priceless.
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I had just finished a frame off resto mod of my Corvette and my son wanted to take his car to a show so I decided why not enter the Vette. The classes are very precise. There were
7 cars in my class. 3 of them just what I would call drivers. Two also restoration cars from varied years past. Mine was the only VERY recent restoration. I took a second place. When I told my wife ,she asked why I didnt get first, I told her I have to find a way to get overspray
on my weatherstrips and wheel wells, and get rust on my engine parts. WE both had a good laugh. The car did go on to win several awards before I made it a cruise night car. The problem with many shows is called Politics. I think we all know what that means.
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The local Porsche dealer has a show every year, and a couple of years ago, the peoples choice award went to a tractor. A 1959 Porsche tractor. How many of us have actually seen one or even knew that they were available. I didn't, and this one was immaculate. Not over restored, but done as a tractor was probably done from the factory. It was a 2 cylinder diesel..
Maybe these guys taking a test ride in a 1944 Porsche should think about a show if they wash it first.



A lot more interesting than a simple Tractor.


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Agree But it takes all kinds so if someone prefers the lawn chair deal that's OK too.
Even smart @$$es like me! I am sure there are plenty of people that look at me and think, you prep your car, drive to an event, and bake in the hot sun all day for less than 10 minutes of driving! Pretty much any kind of event with nice car guys is a good time.

The last show I went to, there was an original 289 there. Not in the show, tucked onto the grass on the access road.

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What is your vote, ugly? or beauty queen?



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Cruise night, cruise in, cruise anything I'm there. Shows, did one each year since my MKIV was completed and half way into the day I was saying to myself 'can I go home now?'. No, stuck there all day. Cruise in's / cars and coffee bring out car people who relate and are truly interested in what you did with your car. Shows not so much - clicky and judgmental. I don't pretend my car is anything but a modern replica/interpretation of something from a time gone past. Finding people who appreciate the thought, skill, and effort that went in is what is rewarding and enjoyable. In my brief experience 10% of the time I got that from a car show, 90% of the time I got that from a cruise in.

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