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Old 08-17-2012, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rad. Fan Mounting?

Saw a cool pic. awhile ago, where someone mounted the fan inside the FF Metals fan shroud.

Can't find it now. Expose yourself....I mean!!!!

Please post the pic. again.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's not me, but I'm working on this right now. I'll take some pictures and post them tomorrow, hopefully. Working with a breeze radiator shroud and the stock fan and radiator. Unfortunately that shroud isn't quite tall enough to mount the fan completely inside it. If this were the case it would be as simple as taking the fan blade assembly off, flipping it over, and mounting the fan on the inside instead of the outside. Unfortunately I can't be that lucky. Currently, it will probably be about half and half... the fan inside, but the motor protruding out of the shroud.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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as promised, here is what I did

I disassembled the fan (all you really need is a pair of pliers to remove the fan, and a T-20 Torx bit to remove the motor from the guard) and measured the first lip where the radial supports on the guard met the outside wall. I came up with 15 3/8" so I measured and cut that out of the shroud (first picture).

Next I notched the radial supports on the guard (seond picture) and also shaved off the little nub next to the tab to hold the chord (third picture), since it was on that same lip.

I did some math, and I needed 7/8" spacers between the mounting holes on the fan assembly and the shroud. Lowes only had 3/4" and 1" so I sanded them down until I thought I had it close (fourth and fifth picture). Those things get hot! Hence, why I drilled a hole in a 2x4, plus this kept the surface flat, unlike trying to hold them while sanding.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I used 1/4" bolts, washers on each end, the spacers between the shroud and fan, and nylock nuts. I went with the 1 1/2" long bolts, and I don't think there's enough thread to fully engage the nylon in the nuts, so I'll probably be going back to Lowes for the 2" bolts.

Overall, I like how it turned out. There will be more clearance behind the shroud now. and the fan isn't running right on the radiator either.

If the shroud had been about 1/2" to 1" deeper I could have just mounted the fan on the inside of the shroud instead, and flipped the fan to be a pusher instead of puller (marked on the fan blade assembly itself). I'll file that one away in the "mods for next time" folder.
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:05 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Might have been me... I measured CAREFULLY the hole size needed. I masked off the ares of the shroud I did not want to scratch with the bottom of the jig saw. Located a fine blade for metal and started cutting. I used a half round file to get the hole smooth and also to get the fan to fit perfectly in the cutout which in my case was 15-11/16" diameter.
I did not cut, trim or alter the fan in any way with this dimension.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Comp Cobra... it was you!!! nice work as well.

After thinking and playing long and hard with it over the weekend tho, an engineer buddy of mine decided that putting the fan inside would only hinder its performance.

The air rushing thru the rad. will only cavitate around the fan housing, instead of just "all being sucked thru".

Thanks for the response fellas!
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So has anybody running the fan inside the shroud came across any issues with cooling?
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Nice & cool

I have the same fan & shroud on my 342 stroker. Since June this year I have 8000 miles on it & the engine NEVER overheated going across the desert or in L.A. traffic.
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You could always just make a more shallow shroud if it is a depth issue you are trying to work out.
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How do you change the fan when it fails? Will you need to remove the shroud?

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Old 10-11-2012, 02:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Olli:
to change the fan, you'd need to remove the shroud in any case, because the nuts are inside the shroud.

mounting the fan inside is brilliant, i wish i thought if this, i just had the shroud off for re-wiring.

oh well

like someone mentioned, it's likely the overall performance is affected, but i would think the difference is negligible.
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Or you could use nut-serts and just bolt the fan on...no nuts to deal with, no need to remove the shroud if/when it fails.

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Or you could use nut-serts and just bolt the fan on...no nuts to deal with, no need to remove the shroud if/when it fails.

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Thats exactly how I did it, actually used riv-nuts. Mounting the fan inside of the shroud doesnt do anything except add more work.
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oops, I meant to say riv-nuts


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for the record, i did want to use rivnuts / PEMstuds, but the holes for the fan were too close to the circle cutout. in my photo you can see the fender washers, i secured them into place with JB weld.

mounting the fan inside would offer a clean look. i wish i saw this earlier.
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