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Old 08-17-2012, 03:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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engine shut down

Niece was visiting so we went for a cruise. All working perfectly and then on our highway drive home, the engine just stopped running. On the highway shoulder it cranked easily - started for a second and then stopped. While waiting for a flatbed (aprox 60 minutes), tried a few more times but same result ...started for a second and then stops....after awhile it would not even fire for a second.

Sooo.. I suspected the Holley "Red" electric fuel pump failed (or perhaps the plunger jammed) so I removed the plunger (fuel poured out)...reinstalled and tried again. Still would not start.

Took her home on a flatbed and left her until this morning. Go out to start the repair and she fires right up.... seems to be running perfectly again.

Ideas - what could have happened?

The only other small detail is that it was a hot day and my water temp strayed higher than normal (up to 230 at idle) before fan kicked on...normally fan kicks on at 210-220
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a failing coil. Easy to check. Borrow one from a friend and take a drive.
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like a failing coil. Easy to check. Borrow one from a friend and take a drive.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks guys .... gotta get this sucker running.... Back to the Bricks and Woodward Dream Cruise this weekend (actually already started)

From my experience when a coil fails ...it fails "period". That said....now that you have me thinking about electrical, the module of the DUI ignition system fits the symptom perfectly (fails when hot - starts when cold). I think the module is replaceable on the DUI so I'm gonna pull it and take it to Napa for a load test.
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Been over several decades but I've had a few coils do partial failures. you could test the coil w/ an ohm meter when it's good and then check again when it fails to confirm.
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When coils begin to fail, they quit when hot and then can fire back up as soon as they cool down a bit. Then they quit again when hot. Repeat till they eventually quit working completely.
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Jim... just load tested (like cycled it 30 times) the HEI module and it tested fine soo I'll eat my words .... now looking likely that it is the coil.

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I currently have a very similar problem.

Last September about 50 miles from home my car died. No fuel pressure and I had to get flat-bedded home. But I thought that it was just a venting problem that I'd fixed after I got home. (I was able to drive it off the flatbed. Had fuel pressure once I got home. That's one of the reasons I thought it was a venting problem. That and my vent line had melted closed.)

While on a cruise last Saturday with my daughter, again about 50 miles from home, my car died. No fuel pressure. We waited a while and the pump built enough pressue that we were able to make it home. But as soon as I got home I checked the fuel pressure and it was less than 1 psi. (Figured I was lucky to make it home.)

So yesterday I blew out all my fuel lines and replaced my fuel filter. And this morning, before a planned cruise with the local Mustang club, I checked my car and had 6 psi. Figured I was good to go.

Nope. We made it up to Park City, about 40 miles, and once again my pressure was dropping. Seems to get worse as I drive, then recovers a little after the pump cools a bit.

Anyway, this afternoon I called the Holley technical support line and told them what was going on. That I'm losing pressure but I can hear the pump running. The technician suggested that the internal relief valve may be failing and allowing the pump to recirculate without building pressure. So I'm going to try installing one of these kits: Holley Performance Products Fuel Pump Check Valve Kit*12-805 (I have a Holley gerotor pump, 12-125.)

It's a different pump that your Holley 'red', but it looks like they make a kit for yours, too. Holley Performance Products Fuel Pump Check Valve Kit*12-805

Something to consider.
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You might want to check for Water in the fuel. I've had to deal with it a couple of times with carb. and the symptoms you describe are the same.
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