FFR 7386 is LEGAL in NJ!!!!

[Hunter 2]

LOL! Thanks Olli. LOL! I guess I'll smile, tell a joke and shake Joe's hand when I meet him. LOL!

[johnny camp]

quote-"I have cats and rebuilding my motor with all new parts. Not worried about Joe. I have Morris Town and 48 other states (not including CA) to work with should I be so inclined. Not worried at all so please don't worry yourself for me. The info you provided has been EXTREMELY helpful and very much appreciated. I may have a question for you from time to time. I'm just very happy for you and the fact that you proved that it can be done. I guess at the end of the day the trick is to comply then return the car to the way I want it after I leave the inspection station. I'm not going to leave my inspection decision up to Joe and whatever side of the bed he woke up on that morning, so I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to meet the chap."

This is the right attitude to go with. When i went in (2008) I figured I would fail but at least have a list of what to fix. Then my inspection was performed by someone else and I passed.This could be your experiance. Good luck!

[Olli]

Joe is a very nice guy and he is quite fair and reasonable.

Olli

[johnny camp]

Quote "Joe is a very nice guy and he is quite fair and reasonable."
This is not consistent with my experience on trying to title my friends car (that he and I built) in 2010. I am not trying to disparage anyone or discourage any one in titling their car but I must be honest with my experience. If anyone wants I can list some of the "failed" issues of our build, not to disparage anyone but to advise on what might not pass. Good luck!

[mirose]

Originally Posted by johnny camp

Quote "Joe is a very nice guy and he is quite fair and reasonable."
This is not consistent with my experience on trying to title my friends car (that he and I built) in 2010. I am not trying to disparage anyone or discourage any one in titling their car but I must be honest with my experience. If anyone wants I can list some of the "failed" issues of our build, not to disparage anyone but to advise on what might not pass. Good luck!

Johnny, the DMV is a total hell-hole in general, but for some reason this special/foreign title unit has been very reasonable through the whole process. the most amazing thing of it all was when I got a phone call FROM Joe B to schedule the appointment and then he asked ME if I had about 20 minutes to go through the most common reasons people fail. He spent that much time and more going over things and explaining the process and answering my questions about ground clearance, lights, brakes etc etc. At the end of that call I knew exactly what I needed to make sure I passed, and I did. The reality of it its, I didn't have to do much other than the Brake Fail Light. The FFR Kit is a good kit and if you take reasonable care in your build, the quality of the workmanship and construction will show through and they will not be able to find any reason to fail you.

And as for Hunter 2....I agree you have a good attitude, but the process was very straightforward and easy, to be honest. Yes, you have 48 other states (I guess Alaska doesn't count?) but its going to possibly be HARDER to get it done so far away. What I can tell you is with a '91 block it is not going to be so easy in NJ based upon what I have heard, and what my good friend Jon went through with his '80 block just 10 months ago. So, no, I am not going to worry about anything for you, you seem to have it all figured out and that is great. I was just trying to help. Cheers!!! -Michael

[Olli]

Emissions are based on the year of the block. It actually can be quite easy to have a '91 pass emissions as long as all of the emissions equipment (smog pump, egr, cats, etc) are all in place and working. The engine also needs to be in good shape. Camshaft choice can be the real killer. But there are a few compliant camshaft choices for a 5.0 (push rod) you can get away with some good heads as well. Very doable, as long as you build it that way.

Olli

[Hunter 2]

I changed the direction my build within the last week due to my emissions concerns and desire to know exactly what the health of the donor engine I purchase months ago was.. As a matter of fact all of the new parts arrived this afternoon from Jegs... Edelbrock intake manifold, 600 Holley carb, and all the other necessary doo-dads. (I love getting big, heavy boxes filled with new parts) Glad I took the engine apart cause a 91' engine looks like a 91' engine when you take it apart. So hopefully this will help also. Just trying to cover all the bases.

I had also purchased lots of new parts for the EFI but decided to go carb that's why I have all those parts for sale in the classified section.

[Someday I Suppose]

Just a couple of quick notes and thoughts, on the defrosters, I agree with Olli's assessment, I know it has been said you need them, I don't have them, never suggested I did, and it never came up in my title process.

On the two roll bar question, I had two always planned on having two so not much of an issue, but I know Steve Lyons spoke to Joe D who was at Morristown at the time and had it as a note from their conversation.

On the emissions thing, people also should not suggest or think that because you use an old block you are exempt from esmissions testing, its just that you will have to test based on the year of the block, and have the equipment that was standard in that year. After 73 or 74 that means smog pumps, etc, but for a pre 74 engine you will still need to go and get a sniffer test when you get the window sticker inspection done.

-Scott

[mirose]

Originally Posted by Someday I Suppose

Just a couple of quick notes and thoughts, on the defrosters, I agree with Olli's assessment, I know it has been said you need them, I don't have them, never suggested I did, and it never came up in my title process.

On the two roll bar question, I had two always planned on having two so not much of an issue, but I know Steve Lyons spoke to Joe D who was at Morristown at the time and had it as a note from their conversation.

On the emissions thing, people also should not suggest or think that because you use an old block you are exempt from esmissions testing, its just that you will have to test based on the year of the block, and have the equipment that was standard in that year. After 73 or 74 that means smog pumps, etc, but for a pre 74 engine you will still need to go and get a sniffer test when you get the window sticker inspection done.

-Scott

Great points Scott. You may recall how I became part of the FFR family, ive told the story a few times on various posts: One of my best friends (jonweisw here on the forums) was trying to get me to build simultaneous to his build. I gave his requests short shrift and figured he would either build without me or give up on asking me at some point. Well one day he decides to go up to FFR to meet Dave and get a test ride and look at the cars. He put his deposit down on the spot, and then picked up the phone and called me and said "Mike, we are best friends right?" and I said "yes". He said "I would never steer you wrong, right?" and I said "yes, I trust you". and he said "I am handing the phone over to a man named Dave who is going to take your credit card number and in exchange for that information he is going to send you a complete cobra replica kit in about 6 weeks". And for some reason I went along with this and the rest is history.

So my point is, I got my kit FIRST and then I started figuring out what I liked, what I didn't like, what I wish I had, What I had but didn't need, etc. My only regret is that I didn't pre-troll the forums for a year before I got my kit ordered. I wouldn't have done a LOT different, but I would have done some things different

But I am very happy with my car. Its MINE and I built it, so you aren't going to hear me complain for one second. Its awesome, fun to drive and has plenty of power.

So with all this in mind, you now understand why I have a heater/defroster and a second roll bar...because thats what Jon got and either 1) he wanted that or 2) he thought you needed that in NJ and since I was just following his lead, I got it too. Its quite possible I would have gotten both of these anyway, but this is how I got them!

As for the sniffer test, yes, I am aware of that, but the test is way less stringent when the block is pre-'74

[bucketlist]

hello, i purchased a ffr roadster completed in 2009 and titled in Illinois using the FFR vin number a 1965 FFR custom veichle, trying to title it in nj now, sent all my paper work in, will i have to go threw the complete inspection for nj? the motor is a stock 96 mustang fuel injected stock 4.6, it has cats, pvc, has anyone passed in nj with this year motor? duel roll bars, back up light, previous owner also installed the abs system, is the vin number under the dash by the steering wheel ok for nj? installed low level warning brake light, thanks for any help.

[mirose]

Originally Posted by bucketlist

hello, i purchased a ffr roadster completed in 2009 and titled in Illinois, trying to title it in nj now, sent all my paper work in, will i have to go threw the complete inspection for nj? the motor is a 96 mustang fuel injected stock 4.6, it has cats, has anyone passed in nj with this year motor? duel roll bars, back up light, previous owner also installed the abs system, is the vin number under the dash by the steering wheel ok for nj? the car has a abs warning light is this the same as a brake fail warning light? if not waht will i need to do to get one in my brake system? thanks for any help.

I think u just transfer the title, but I'm not sure. I don't think they hold you to the standards of a fresh title. I would call DMV and ask. And yes the frame serial number is usually the vin. It's mine. But what is the vin on the previous title? They may want that used.

Good luck

[bucketlist]

going thru the paperwork part of NJ DMV, seems unfair the car was completed 2009 titled in Illinois, driven till purchased in Sept 2012, also frame vin did not match the title, seems FFR made a mistake, they had the frame as FFR and the certificate of origin as F5R, no one noticed original builder/Illinois DMV/even myself, NJ DMV where the ones that caught the error (vin rub picture)! after 3 more weeks of chasing down paperwork, a note from my mother stating the vin is correct (lol), resubmitted paperwork, now waiting again. my motor is a stock 1996 mustang gt, it has cats, pvc, fuel vapor recovery canister thing, the egr is ON the motor, stock gas tank with working pressurized cap, have a brake fail light, dual roll bars, all indicators, sure hope this is enough to pass!

[Cashburn]

Just wanted to add to this discussion and open it up for any suggestions...

First contribution on my part is that yes, Morristown is closed for good. However you can go to the station in Westfield station now and they were very pleasant to work with so far on the latest car we had inspected. Everything others have posted in regards to the car setup and equipment still applies.

HOWEVER, they will no longer issue a letter in regards to the block year etc. That is now on some other documents and in the system differently. Also, you can not do anything but leave and wait at home for Trenton to send you your plates. No more driving up there and pushing it through.

Now here's the thing that keeps getting sort of brushed over here with engine blocks and years... just because you use a pre 1974 block does not mean you are "exempt" from a sniffer test. They still require it and set the HC limit at 1400 ppm.

So anyone that has gone through with a pre'74 block setup and gone through the sniff test please share if you can to help others entering the process.