got more bad news about canadian kit

[punisher]

well just found out today that now it is not allowed to order the irs kit on a ffr car into canada just the 3 link and 4 link. does anyone know if i can still order the cage on the car and have the irs completion kit say either sent to a friends house in the USA or have it sent to a shipping depot right at the boarder and then pick it up separte from the actual kit?

or if it was sent to a friends they could just send the completion kit direct to me?

this is so stupid these dumb rules we have in canada

[PaulW]

Try Whitby Motors. They are a forum vendor and offer Canadian completion kits.

[punisher]

oh i know about them and have to use them to get the completion kit already, my major issue is since they got that 50% off deal at ffr will whitby do it too, but from the looks of it for some stupid reason its not allowed to import irs into canada, and im not sure if this is true or not.

[punisher]

i know ffr isnt allowed to sent it into canada or they will loose the rights to ship them into canada. but i was thinkn they could sell the parts to whitby and then whitby could send them to me lol

[Jonathan D]

Pretty sure the irs is not allowed...meaning FFR will not sell it or ANY other restricted part to anyone in Canada.

[RoKaNo]

Dumb question - what is it about the IRS that they won't let you import it?

[np630ss]

What happened to the NAFTA treaty?

[thebicman]

The irs option has never been allowed. Problem is some have been getting through and maybe Transport is watching more closely.

[convincor]

Isn't it suspension parts that are not allowed?
Could they delete them from the kit then out source elsewhere?
But ship the chassis IRS ready?

[MK4]

Dont ship it just get it on a separate order and go get it or get someone to go down for you. Thèse are just car parts so you are intitulé to get them Cross thé border. You could also get them ship to à dépôt on thé us side, then go get them, you Will pay tax but thats all.

Cheers


Mk4

[QSL]

i thought the laws in california were crazy.... Damn!

[CNIDog2]

It is true. IRS was banned by TC @ 7 + years ago. Early Mk3 #4404 was the last one allowed in... (mine). Reason being, among other issues, was that the A-arms were not tested as per SAE standards.... (and never will be..) Only mustang live-axle design is the only approved version. You can retro-fit the IRS cage and other designs but, you will pay the full upgrade price for it from someone else, not FFR. It can not come with the kit. FFR will not sell it to a CDN under any condition.

[steno]

Some say Gordon's 5 link is great as an alternative.

[stroked 6t5]

Hi all,
You might want to check for sure about this issue. I ordered my MK4 about this time last year with the IRS and it arrived Sept '11 with no problems...
Regards,
Andy

[punisher]

i talked to AL from western canada cobra and he said no to irs, even on the order form it is deleted from it. but i cant see why they wouldnt sell u the cage in irs form, and then i just order the complete irs kit separate, or maybe i can just have my friend in the states order me the US spec kit with irs and ship it separate into canada.

[BULLITT428]

Originally Posted by stroked 6t5

Hi all,
You might want to check for sure about this issue. I ordered my MK4 about this time last year with the IRS and it arrived Sept '11 with no problems...
Regards,
Andy

Same with me I orderd my kit from Al at Western Canadian Cobras in June of last year and it came in August 2011 with the IRS cage welded in place? It also came with the 1/2 shafts needed for the IRS? No problems at all getting it into Canada. Then Jeff at Whitbys supplied the rest to make it a complete kit? Not sure whats going on here?

Ed.

[samadhi]

Simply have your wife, friend or brother order the parts...I believe you'll have to get them welded when they get here.

Whitby is a work around no different than you neighbor ordering the parts is.

[conger]

Not to be a wet blanket here, but be careful about following the TC rules concerning importing parts for your car. When I had my VIN inspection, the guy that did it was very diligent. He verified the serial numbers on my engine and transmission. Was able to pull up complete history of the original car they were in and also wanted to see all of my build records. The process took over 2 hrs.
After spending all this time on a build, it would be terrible to not get that VIN plate due to banned parts. It has happened to other Canadian builders.

Gerry

[samadhi]

Originally Posted by conger

Not to be a wet blanket here, but be careful about following the TC rules concerning importing parts for your car. When I had my VIN inspection, the guy that did it was very diligent. He verified the serial numbers on my engine and transmission. Was able to pull up complete history of the original car they were in and also wanted to see all of my build records. The process took over 2 hrs.
After spending all this time on a build, it would be terrible to not get that VIN plate due to banned parts. It has happened to other Canadian builders.

Gerry

There are NO BANNED parts!

The agreement is that the remaining parts are sourced from within Canada. Not many of the parts required are made here and are imported by someone, it can be your neighbor.

They are verifying serial numbers to ensure parts aren't stolen.

When I buy heads for my engine from RHS through a speed shop in Ottawa, shipped via Vancouver, from a source in Seattle all the way from New Zealand am I breaking the rules? No.

The same thing applies to almost every other part not in our base kit, it comes from somewhere.

Were mustangs ever made in a Canadian plant? What about 302's, 351's or modulars? Cranks? Cams? Gauges? Vinyl? nuts, bolts? Kindly tell me how any of us could finish one of these cars without imported parts?

The TC regulation is to limit the import of complete cars, not parts. They are trying to ensure that I don't buy a completed FFR, superformance or CSX car, take off the suspension, remove the engine, and drive it all across the border.

Buy whatever you want from whatever source, it just can't be a complete car, it simply has to be (if I remember correctly) less than 50% of a car.

Vic

[conger]

Perhaps I read more in to this than I should have. My inspector was concerned about stolen parts of course. He did want to see my build receipts and where I sourced some of my parts. That said, there are cars in Canada with IRS. They must have bought their parts from somewhere. Al Beix is always very knowledgeable on the TC regs. My intent was only to caution when dealing with the TC rules. Although some don't make much sense.

Just my two cents
G.

[punisher]

this is driving me nuts lol i have to keep changing my build list. i think im just going to say the hell with IRS seems like to much of a problem in canada.

3link here i come.

so for the 3 link all i need is the 3link option for $599 plus a solid axle? or do i gotta buy the shock kit as well? and of course the wilwood brakes.

[s cobra]

Not to hi-jack BUT...............do we all realize how insane this entire conversation is regarding what can and can't come into Canada for a car that the purchaser is going to drive himself??
Watch out US, we are heading in the same direction with this type of over-reaching government intrusion.

Punisher, I'm sure you'll find a way to make it all work out and best of luck to you.
Bruce

[punisher]

oh i agree its so silly makes no sense at all. its like riding a motorcycle with no helmet its my choice if i crash im aware of what will happen so leave me alone.

these TC rules that they have make no sense at all. It is also against the law for a company in canada to have a business where they import these kits in and build them and then sell them as a complete car. this happened to superperformance and they got shut down.

[QSL]

I really feel for you. We have really dumb laws here in california about guns. Cant own certain colors and we are only allowed to shoot 10 rounds at a time.

[samadhi]

This TC issue is not in effect for all kit vehicle imports into Canada, look here
Kick Ass Kustoms

You can pickup a motorcycle kit from 100's of suppliers in every province in the country.

Those that have heard the story, fable, myth...whatever. It goes like this, the importer of Superformance got into a pissing match with a TC guy at a car show and the TC guy went back to his office and crafted up a policy.

He put and end to Superformance imports.

Yesterday I ordered a Russ Thompson turn signal and gas pedal, a wiper motor and picked up from a local speed shop a new alternator, water pump, timing cover and transmission spacer.

Parts made in the USA, China maybe, none from Canada and I bet impossible to source in Canada.

FFR are not going to go against what TC says, they want Canadian customers. But they would never stop your brother from buying parts. TC has not banned the import of IRS parts, I could buy them and weld them to the roof of a Honda civic if I wanted to.

If you want the IRS order it and ship it separately, it is no different than ordering the raw steel and building it yourself.

[punisher]

good to know now i gotta call ffr and see if they will sell it to my "brother" and will my "brother still qualify for the 50% off lol

thanks guys

[BULLITT428]

PM sent to you. IRS in Canada

[msteen]

Thought I should weigh in on this one. I have an IRS and although it was a bit of a PIA to get it in, I managed. I talked to TC and they advised that I should purchase the frame with the cage welded in, then source the parts for the IRS locally. You can get it but need to be careful, F5 initially sent me a 3 Link and so they then had to send out the correct frame as was indicated on my order. I then had my brother in law in Tucson order the IRS components and had them delivered there. From there I imported them as car parts. Needless to say, I have the car on the road and I love the IRS.

Good Luck.

Murray

[smaly]

This is what I did.

When I was done placing my order for the coupe.
Went onto FFR online part site and ordered shocks, lower control arm (front and rear), wiring harness and a couple of other spare parts.
They where all shipped to my address from FFR with FED-EX.
No taxes and no other fees to pay.
It worked for me

Steve

[Jonathan D]

IMHO FFR has gone though considerable effort to sell the Canadian kits in accordance with TC regulations. TC has dictated what parts cannot be sold to Canadian kit builders and FFR agreed to respect that line. It would be terrible to see anyone put this arrangement in jeopardy.

"A hobby builder may NOT import, or have a third party import the parts needed to complete the car. These parts must be bought from a source in Canada not linked to the kit manufacturer." TC

Lots of info here
"Kit Cars" in Canada - Transport Canada