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Old 12-13-2011, 09:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Front tow hook on mkIV ???

Any recommendations on a front tow hook for the mkiv. The challenge series uses a hook that is bolted to the cross brace that goes between the shock towers. Now that the cross brace is round tube I dont think it will work, I dont want the tow hook comming out the hood anyway, if I can help it. Any pics would really help too. Thanks
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Any recommendations on a front tow hook for the mkiv. The challenge series uses a hook that is bolted to the cross brace that goes between the shock towers. Now that the cross brace is round tube I dont think it will work, I dont want the tow hook comming out the hood anyway, if I can help it. Any pics would really help too. Thanks
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There really is not much to use forward of the front of the 4 inch tubes. If you are planning on racing the car the top mounted tow hook would work, but you will have to make your own to fit the round tube or the top of the shock mount structure. If you are just thinking about getting home from the road, then get a tow truck that holds the front wheels off the ground and they put the rear wheels on a dolly with bogey wheels. I don't think there is really a good place to hook a cable to pull the car onto a rollback without taking most of the front fiberglass and shredding it.

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Old 12-13-2011, 10:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am interested in the tow hook for two reasons- track days and for looks, I like the track look.
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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When mine was pulled back to the pits, we used a long rope, a few loops around the roll bar, and I held it with my hand.

But, Ron's advice is correct. Our cars are so low in front, any tow hook would have to come from the frame and up.
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I am still in the waiting/planning, so I can not go look at a car, but wondering - the round tubes are open, correct? if so, could you make something that fits in each tube, has a bolt & cotter pin to hold in place...these tubes would come forward past the front end and then have a structure in front (either just connecting them or connecting them and going up higher) where you could attach a tow hook/strap.

Am I crazy? It would not have to be super heavy duty or anything since the car is so light. Am talking something to allow it to be pulled on to a flatbed or pulled back to the pits by a tow strap.
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I am still in the waiting/planning, so I can not go look at a car, but wondering - the round tubes are open, correct? if so, could you make something that fits in each tube, has a bolt & cotter pin to hold in place...these tubes would come forward past the front end and then have a structure in front (either just connecting them or connecting them and going up higher) where you could attach a tow hook/strap.

Am I crazy? It would not have to be super heavy duty or anything since the car is so light. Am talking something to allow it to be pulled on to a flatbed or pulled back to the pits by a tow strap.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the tubes are closed. There is a plate welded on the front that locates the lower control arm front bushing and the steering rack bushings. In front of that, there is some thin wall 3/4 inch square steel tube that locates the radiator and the front of the body. That tube is just that: a locating frame. It has no side to side support and could be bent very easily. I have a Challenge car and before I decided to make it a mostly street and a little use as a track day car, I thought seriously about upgrading that frame work to beef it up and triangulate it so it would could have a secondary use as a tow and jack point. When you get your car, there is a plate welded on the front of the frame tubes that you might use to tie some kind of a tow mechanism to. The front fiberglass is so low in the front that unless you can pull low and parallel to the ground the body is going to take a beating.

On the FFR site there are some pictures of the new Mk IV frame and body. You'll see the problem. It's not an insurmountable problem, but not easy to do.

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That is cool Ron, thanks for the info. I am not looking to do this, just wondering out loud about a solution for the poster. I kind of figured it probably the kind of thing you need to play with on the car.

Let me toss out something else. Is it easy/realistic to remove the hood (undo or unbolt the hood hinge and then be able to connect something to the X member that sticks up. I imagine that depends on the individual build - engine and what all you have going on around the X member.

So Kevin, there are a couple ideas to investigate. There seems to be no simple solution, but some compromises you could make to give you that capability.
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So here is what I use, mine is a challenge car and I run in SCCA and ICSCC and there is no issue with being towed from these hooks, the fiberglass is not an issue as my front spoiler protects that. I may have to change this over the winter though as we are upgrading the frontend and will be running a front sway bar and that may cause issues with where I have the hooks now.

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Old 12-15-2011, 12:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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This is a FIA cobra at the Lime rock historics. I would like this kind of arrangement if possible. UrQ, If I could do like you have done and extend out some more I would be pleased with that.
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This is a FIA cobra at the Lime rock historics. I would like this kind of arrangement if possible. UrQ, If I could do like you have done and extend out some more I would be pleased with that.
I like that, and I may have to do that when I install the front sway bar this winter, do you have any pics on how that was attached to frame?
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No better pics than this one. Looked like 1/2" bar triangulated to the frame rails then 2 more from the hook going back and up to the upper quick jack frame structure(if you can call it that). You should have seen that old lady drive the balls off that little cobra.
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