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Old 03-06-2008, 11:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have experience with turbine paint sprayers?

Hi guys,

I was looking at a catalog for TP Tools and came across a turbine HVLP system. (The description is below). I did a search and only came up with one post on this subject but it did not have any first-hand experience.

Has anyone used one of these to paint a whole car? The price is right (esp. if you are like me and don't have a gigundous air compressor and super-duper paint guns). Some models even come with a supplied air respirator.

I figured I would post this here rather than on SRP's sub-forum because the pros wouldn't use this type of system. It is for hobbyists, not pros. (Mods: if you think this ought to be moved, feel free). I have no connection with TP Tools or these sprayers.

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Old 03-06-2008, 11:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Jon, I'll let you practice on my car, so you'll be well experienced when you do yours. All I know how to do is old-school acrylic enamel at 40 PSI.

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I painted my car with a turbine sprayer. Let me give a few opinions. It's not a matter of hobbyist or pro. The turbine can put out a pro job, but your local paint store and local painters won't be able to help you set it up. The reason is that the turbine sprayers heat the air substantially more than a 80gal air compressor. You pretty much end up using the slowest reducer you can get, without going to an outright retarder. You add as much as you have to in order to get good flow. This is THE major disadvantage of turbines. Once you fight through the frustration and figure out your mix there are some serious advantages!

Turbines put out a consistent PSI all day long. No worrying about whether your air compressor can keep up. We don't have enough power out in our shop to easily run a 220v 80gal compressor. The turbine however works great. Also, you can get them in 3 or 4 stage turbines. Just get the 4. Anything less just doesn't cut it if you are trying to paint a good finish like a car.

If you go with a system like the Axis 4 stage:
https://secure.foxvalley.net/axispro...yer/Respirator

You get a secondary turbine built in that runs your fresh air hoods. You can put two people on one of these. You MUST use supplied air when shooting todays paints unless you don't like your health. All skin should be reasonably covered. A cheap tyvek suit and supplied fresh air hood is a good idea.

I bought my unit several years ago, but www.autobodystore.com had about the best price at the time, and I was able to order everything there. Very helpful people.

My final opinion: They work very well and we are going to use ours to paint an aircraft soon and then eventually paint my car again (car will have 6 years of rock chips on it by then), but if you can easily power and store an 80gal 220v compressor, just do that instead. You can get more help on reducers from your local painters by using common equipment.

I'd like to see more people use these. They really do work, there just isn't much support from the painting community.

Good luck!

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I have used inexpesive turbines,but never to paint a car. It sprayed thin laquer ok. They are used a lot for wood working and the thin materials used to spray wood finish's.
Modern bc,cc's are hi solid paints. Make sure the system you get can spray these.
They do need different gun compared to conventional air compressor painting. choice's are limited compared to what you can use if useing compressor to paint.
I was "told"you can't get a quality paint job unless spending the money for a quality turbine system.

Keep in mind when painting your own car with little or no experience. Try to keep all the odds in your favor. This means use products and equipment that are familar with most so if problem occur. More help is avalible.
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Hello Jon A,

I use an Axis Citation 4 stage turbine with an Accuspray Gun to spray complete cars. I cannot say enough about how good of a job it does at laying the paint out smooth. One of the biggest advantages to the turbine sprayers is that they really conserve your paint. I end up using about half the paint that I use to use when I sprayed with a DeVilbis MBC gun. One thing to keep in mind is that the air is heated and solvents will evaporate quicker. To get arouond this, I usually will thin the paint with about 10% more reducer than the paint calls for. The other thing that takes a little time to get used to, is the amount of paint these things can throw out. You have to be prepared to move quickly. Overall, I would never go back to a pressure gun now that I have gotten used to spraying with the turbine system. Whatever you decide to do, good luck and post some pictures of your final results......
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HVLP systems are great once you get the hang of it with viscosity and temperature combo. You can actually do some airbrushng or blending of colors. Ghosting comes to mind. Using for years with laquer and enamels with wood. Spend the time on practicing and paint the same time of day helped me for temp control and any wind issues. Don't know how fast auto paint goes off as laquer is within 5 minutes. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the information. I am still trying to decide if I will try to paint it myself. This seems like an interesting option for a lot of us.

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I painted a car about 5 years ago with a cheap woodworking turbine. I knew nothing about paints, additives, or technic. The car turned out pretty good. Then I painted a cobra last year with a compressor and HVLP gun from devilbiss. That gun was really nice and was easier to use. The biggest problem I had last winter was getting water in the lines towards the end of the job.
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You might want to check this one out as well. I purchased the fresh system from them. Talk to Phil, he is very knowledgable and is more than willing to give advice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-Sta...mZ380002287867

I would be concerned about the 60 CFM if it were me, the one above puts out 134 CFM. The CFM is a major part of the success of a turbine unit.

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Builders have been painting airplanes with HVLP turbines since at least 1990 or so. They work well, the only down side is whether you want a fairly expensive single use tool that doesn't get used much.
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