Three Point Seat Belts In a FFR33

[hrfarmsia@msn.com]

Hi- has anyone installed retractable shoulder harness seat belts in their FFR33 ? and how did you attach the rear shoulder hardware to the frame ?

[Arrowhead]

Yes, there are some installed. Some have used the roll bar to connect to, others have custom made brackets I believe.

[jonathanch]

I am going to use these belts from seatbeltsplus.com. Not sure exactly where I can mount the upper bracket but as Arrowhead posted there should be plenty of options. Just could not deal with the 5 point harness on a regular basis.

[krh66must]

I've got them installed. I welded upper mounts to the frame.http://www.ffcars.com/forums/2134944-post21.html

If you look at post 68 in Kyle's build page it shows them installed. The mount is formed to the bottom of the waterfall and also tapped to make them easy to get in and out.

I'll go into some more detail if needed, but I'm having a hard time getting the phone to work right.

[j33ptj]

IIRC Kai-Rod mounted the shoulder point to the roll bar...

Robert

[jayguy]

Yeah, he needed 3-point belts to pass inspection. I haven't seen anything from him in a while tho.

[hrfarmsia@msn.com]

- I believe my best option is to attach the belt slider to the outside portion of the roll bar. I just need to figure out what sort of bolt-on attachment I should fabricate . I want to retain the option of lifting the "waterfall " to unbolt the roll bars -I have the two bars on my beta #4 . I want to get rid of the FFR supplied belts as they are more than I need for street use , if anyone wants them I'd give them up for the shipping costs . I sure appreciate the responses and welcome further suggestions on this subject .
Harold

[cjmccall]

I spent several years at GM developing seat belts and air bags. The best place for the upper anchor for the shoulder belt is on the roll bar. On my build I have two methods for anchoring the upper belt. Without the roll bar installed I made an anchor using a lenght of 1 1/2 " aluminum bar stock that slides into the roll bar anchors, drilled and tapped the bar stock to hold the anchor plate. See the pictures in my build #235. I will add a couple pictures of the anchors ihave discribed below.
I also made anchors the slide on the rollbar. I took a 1" thick by 2 1/2" wide by 3 3/4" long aluminum block and bored a 1 1/2" hole that allowed it to slide on the roll bar and drilled and tapped it for the belt anchor and drilled and tapped for a set screw to keep the anchor in place on the roll bar. The advantage to this is you can adjust the height for a comfortable fit across your shoulder.

[hrfarmsia@msn.com]

Hi - I like your idea of a aluminum sliding block on the roll bar . Did you use this as point to attach the belt slider and then did you mount the retracting portion near the floor ? If you did this arrangement was the belt moving clear of the waterfall ? Or did you attach the retractor to the roll bar anchor?
Harold

[j33ptj]

My Jeep wrangler TJ has a sliding system on the roll bar, perhaps that is an option to buy one of those!! Than you don't have to fabricate anything!!

The retractor is mounted to the floor side of the rollbar...

Robert

[cjmccall]

Harold,
I didn't use the FF waterfall. I re-designed the area behind seats for more room. I mounted the outboard belt to lower anchor, inboard belt to inboard anchor (at tunnel) and made a plate to bolt to the outboard frame by the lower anchor and mounted the retractor with the belt facing inboard and up to the roll bar anchor.
I should have taken pictures when it was all apart and it would be self explanatory. You will probably have to cut a slot in the waterfall for the belt to travel to the upper anchor on roll bar.
Another thought is to mount the retractor to the rear frame behind seat to the inside of lower outboard anchor and just notch the lower waterfall for retractor and belt clearance.
Chuck

[hrfarmsia@msn.com]

Chuck - I appreciate your input on how to eliminate interference with the waterfall - I understand how you changed the space behind the seats with the unique fuel tank you used . The space you developed behind the seats is a valuable assset as space for any sort of lockable storage is at a premium .
You have the talent - no doubt !
Tim Whittaker is working up a pair of brackets for me to clamp on my roll bars - I've two on my #004 . He is another member of the talent pool that share ideas and examples on the Forum to help someone like me in getting the kit assembled into a great road machine . You all are true craftsmen.
Harold