|Registering Your FFR
Disclaimer: Check with your local DMV for
correct and complete information. The info provided here is not necessarily
correct or legal, just some peoples opinions.
[HK] "In Maine I was able to use
"FFR1566K" as my VIN, but I also could have had them
assign a new one too. I'm quite sure every state is different, and
you should check with your state motor vehicle department to find
out how they do things."
[BP] For complete info on Texas registration, click
[DG] "Here in Louisiana the DMV states
the the frame or chassis is what they consider for the age of the
car not the motor. The age of the motor has nothing to do with it.
They want to know when the frame or chassis was constructed and
that's the year of manufacture for the car. This is supplied with
the car from FFR and that's what the DMV over here bases the year it
is titled as."
[IL] "Florida has a provision for you to
register it as a replica (i.e. of '65 if you wish)."
[AV] "So does Oregon. You just title it
as a "1965 Roadster Replica" then you only have to meet the
emissions of the year that it emulates."
[RO] "Oklahoma lets you register as a 65
as that is what the Certificate of origin states."
[EE] Registering in Florida: "Back
earlier this year I went through the registration process on
FFR1997K. I was able to title her as a '65 replica... Some of you
have had trouble going this route, but here is the info you need:
Go down to the tax office and have them look
up procedure # TL-48 "Application for Certificate of Title for
a Replica Motor Vehicle".
It Covers all the information the tax office
needs to get you in and out of the office with a '65 Title and
registration, compliments of Engineer Ed
You will need the following....
A. Form HSMV 82040 or 82041 "Application
for Certificate of Title with/without Vehicle Registration.
"Includes a special affidavit."
B. The Manufacturers Certificate of Origin.
C. Form HSMV 82042, Vehicle Identification
Number and Odometer Verification, accurately completed by the retail
purchaser(s) with the motor vehicle identification number verified
by one of the four officials shown on the lower portion of the form,
-or- An affidavit from the seller(s) and the purchaser(s) verifying
that the vehicle identification number shown on the affidavit is
identical to the vehicle identification number shown on the motor
D. Florida sales tax or a form DR40, Sales tax
Exemption Affidavit, or a form DR41A, Certificate of Motor Vehicle
Sales Tax Exemption. Form HSMV 82040, Application for Certificate of
Title with/without Vehicle Registration (Rev. 2/95), may be used in
lieu of the above listed forms.
E. The Florida license plate number transferred
to or purchased for the vehicle, or a non-use affidavit (yeah right
F. All title fees
If anyone wants a faxed copy of the procedure
TL-48, let me know and I'll be glad to send a copy.
I'm going to try and scan the document to make things easier, so
bear with me.
Hope you appreciate this, it took some time
and butt kissing with the "little old gray haired lady".
Don't forget to bring receipts for "major
component" purchases. ie.. FFR kit, motor, transmission (or
donor vehicle). Items such as lights, emblems, hoses, filters and
the such are not taxed items, only major drivetrain items will need
to be taxed if you "HAVE NOT" already paid tax."
[CD] "Go to your local DMV and ask for
HSMV 82040,Application for Certificate of Title.
Get Procedure TL-07 and Procedure TL-41. You can contact the DMV:
323 10th. Ave. W.,ste 200
Palmetto Fl. 34221
Or go on
[JP] "You can save enough in tax to pay
for the titles Unlimited service. When I tried to register 2010 they
wanted to do an inspection. The only option they gave me was to
bring the car down for them to look at. Since she wasn't completely
done yet, I went the TU route. Then the only thing I needed was a
VIN verification from a cop or a Notary. Notary's in Florida are
everywhere. It's easy to stamp some numbers in a scrap of aluminum
and rivet it to the frame somewhere."
[RL] "I WOULD BE CAREFUL WITH THE VIN#
ISSUE ,IVE MET A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THIS AS FAR
AS GETTING IN TROUBLE ,ONE GUY IN MY AREA USED TITLES UNLIMITED ,AND
THE TROOPERS IN OUR AREA FOUND OUT AND LAST TIME I SAW HIM HE WAS IN
TROUBLE ,WE WERE AT THE NORTH EAST REPLICA CHALLENGE THE TROOPER
SHOWED UP AND TOLD THE GENTLEMEN IF HE DROVE HIS CAR OFF OF THE RACE
TRACK GRIUNDS HE WOULD BE ARRESTED ,HE GOT A TRAILER TO TAKE IT HOME
THE TROPPER THEN TOLD HIM THAT HIMSELF AND HIS SUPERVISOR WOULD BE
OVER TO TAKE THE REGISTRATION OFF OF THE CAR I HAVE TALKED TO OTHERS
THAT HAVE BEEN BUSTED WHEN SOME SAVVY COP FIGURED IT OUT ,LIKE MY
FRIEND THAT PUT ANTIQUE PLATES ON HIS REPLICA AFTER HE MADE UP A VIN#
,WE WERE AT A SHOW A COP WAS WALKING AROUND CHECKING OUT THE CARS
(NOT IN UNIFORM) SAW THE PLATE ,STATED TO MY FRIEND THAT IT MUST BE
ORIGINAL ,WHEN MY FRIEND STATED THAT IT WAS A REPLICA HE WANTED TO
KNOW HOW HE GOT AN ANTIQUE PLATE (NEEDS TO BE OVER 25 YEARS OLD IN
NH) HE SOON RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DMV ABOUT HIS VIN## ,I TOO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER MINE AS A 65 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS BUT DID IT
BY THE LAW AND IT IS REGISTERED AS A 2000
YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IN MOST AREAS IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO MESS
WITH VIN# AND SOME STATES ARE WORSE THAN OTHERS SOME AREAS IT IS
CONSIDERED A FELONY"
[SG] "Just titled my F5R in my home state
(VA.) with the help of Titles Unlimited. 1966 Ford 2 door; no
hassles, no questions, no inspections."
[CD] "TU charges $200 for a Roadster. On
paper you sell TU your car and that price you put down as purchase
will have to paid in taxes in your state. The nice part is you can
have a 1965 Roadster Roadster."
[SC] "I just called my local DMV (GA.)
and they said all I need it the Certificate of Origin that FFR give
you with the kit. Now I just have to come up with what I want on my
[SS] "I used titles unlimited up here in
mass, have hit a brick wall! Yes, I did everything that they tell
you to do. the problem is I use my ff5 number rather than adding a
few numbers to it. They say it should have at least 11
[RS] "have nothing but praise for T.U.
they are by and far the best. I tried the other main Title company
and they not only were slow but more expensive.
With T.U.I paid $200 and had my papers back in 7 days. When I called
back about a DMV issue they called right back and were quite helpful
[MI] "Here in AZ the process is no
Just show up with your MSO from FFR or any one
else....No inspection, The car gets registered as a 1965 Roadster.
No emissions and inspection.
Tags, Title and Registration...$27.00.
Yearly tags $15.00 personalized plates another
[CD] "TU would allow you to put anything
down as your vin.#. Back then like the DMV told you it should have
had more than four digits. I didn't have a Number from my kit
manufacturer and I chose a 13 digit# that I made up ,no problems
here in Florida. Today your new cars come with 17 digit#. Call TU
and see if they might correct the vin#."
[SP] "I just checked both my Ford vin #'s
from 65, both are 11 digits."
[MR] "You need to get a VIN assigned by
the Mass. State Police. They will probably make you do it as a 2001
car. Cliff Henricksen went through this in Mass. and the only things
they required were wipers, cats, and backup lights. Check out the
sticker on the Breeze Website. I didn't know there were any FFR's on
the Vineyard. Actually it stands to reason since it's only about 15
miles from the factory!"
Michigan: [JJ] "I checked into the
process last year with the Secretary of State office. To my
recollection there was three forms for the purpose obtainable from
I was told that you need to keep all receipts
and to have as much information on major donor parts as possible. If
you are as anal as I am that was a given!
You will have to tow or trailer your Roadster to
a State Police station and have the finished car inspected. The
vehicle must be driveable at that time. They require that you return
with the completed forms to finish the process in the Secretary of
This procedure follows what I had to do
getting a used truck with RV plates reregistered as a pickup, and
for registering an assembled (home made) trailer in Michigan. The
key is to transport the vehicle - do not drive it to the State
Police. The hassle for trailering without a plate to the City Police
Station is a nightmare. Take that from first hand experience!!!!!"
[DC] "live near Lansing, MI and didn't
run into any real problems registering. A got a form from the SofS (Secretary
of State)that was basically a safety inspection sheet. When I was
ready; and I believe there is a time limit on when you have to
return that form, a County Sheriff will come and inspect it. He'll
fill out the form and you return it to the SofS. I can't really
remember because it was awhile ago, but I believe there are a couple
more forms you need to fill out. One of them I think was an
application for a VIN number.
Once everything goes through, you then go to the State Police post
for a final inspection and placement of the VIN number.
After that you'll get a title that says assembled vehicle.
As far as driving it to the State Police post, that is allowed,
however you must go directly there and back and you need to have the
paperwork from the SofS with you incase you get stopped.
That must be OK, since I arrived at the Police Post and no one
questioned the fact that I drove it there or home.
All-in-all though it really is pretty simple to register in
Michigan. Especially with no smog test!"
[rj] "This is what you have to do (MI.):
1) go to Secretary of State and get form TR54
2) get a police officer (any officer, I had a friend of a friend do
mine) fill out the form that says it has the mandatory safety
equipment. They require you to have windshield wipers, but if the
police officer is cool, he will ignore this.
3) Take the completed TR54 form, along with the Bill of Sale and the
Certificate of Manufacturer back to the Secretary of State.
4) They will enter your car into the system and assign you a VIN
5) Someone from the liscensing department will contact you, and
either come to your house or will ask you to drive to the office to
put the VIN sticker on. Takes from 4 - 8 weeks. You can buy temp
plates after step 4, but no permanent plate.
P.S. Just to warn you, they will want you to
pay sales tax on the cost of the kit. And they will ask you to
estimate the value of your Roadster (make it low, I said 15K) so they
can figure out the cost of the plates."
West Virgina: [SS] "I know of 2 titled in
W V. Mine : I went through the dmv ,A couple of forms to fill out,
car has to be checked out by a certified state inspector, luckily I
happen to be one. and paid tax on the kit price.
Titled as a 65 Roadster cv. The other one used titles unlimited
either way it doesn't seem to much of a problem."
[WL] "I went the Titles Unlimited route (WVa.).
Titled as a 1965 AC Roadster, used a combination of FFR # and my
initials as VIN. Everything worked fine. Even the Ins company was
(MA.) [SS] FOREWARNED-----------
I LIKE MOST OF YOU GUYS, WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THAT MY CAR BE
REGISTERED AS A 65 Roadster, BUT ALAS, AFTER WAITING 10WEEKS FOR MY
TITLE TO COME BACK FROM BOSTON, I CALLED TO FIND OUT MY TITLE WAS
SITTING ON A MR. BURRS DESK, THE THEFT DIVISION OF DMV!! I HAD GONE
THRU TITLES UNLIMITED. THEY ARE KEYING IN ON ALL CARS THAT THEY
SUSPECT ARE KIT CARS, AND MAKING THE OWNERS GO THRU A STATE
INSPECTION AND ISSUING A NEW VIN. AT THIS TIME, I HAVE KNOW IDEA
WHAT MY CAR WILL END UP BEING TITLED AS. MY BEST GUESS IS A 1993 OR
2001 Roadster REPLICAR. WHICH MEANS I WILL HAVE TO HANG THE CATS BACK
ON AND MY POLLUTION PUMP AS WELL. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA IF I
MIGHT BE ABLE TO PASS EMISSIONS WITHOUT THEM.
I BELIEVE, WHAT GAVE ME UP WAS THE FACT THAT I USE FF5'S VIN NUMBER.
CRIME JUST DOES NUT PAY!!"
[cd] "registered in mass about 5 months
ago as a 1965 AC Roadster with titles unlimited. using a vin of FFRXXXX
I got through the registry inspection and received my title in the
mail 2 weeks later."
 "Well, seems like TU is down in
OHIO and my home of MASS. OK guys. Try it this way. Get your car
"Salvage & Reconstructed Replica" titled... completely
legit... and how you're supposed to do it here. Now listen closely.
Here's the loophole... when you fill out your RMV-1 form, put 1965
as the year and you decide on the make and model... as in Roadster
Replica or AC Roadster replica. Have your insurance agent stamp the
insurance part (they'll have no clue what to do with a kit car
anyways) and go to the registry with a spread sheet of every nut,
bolt, can of paint listing price and tax paid, with the receipts to
back up this list up. You needed the receipts for the
salvage/reconstructed replica title anyways. Now, make sure your
list has some stuff that you did not pay tax on. Like the donor.
It's best if you have the title. Now, they can say "hey, you
owe us tax on that thing and you need to pay a penalty for not
titling it in 30 days". You pay your $118 or so (that's the # I
paid) and walk out with a plate and a month later the title for the
65 whatchamacallit comes in the mail. No Titles Unlimited "red
flag" that's probably been sent out around the state, now.
Here's another way to go... A Lone Star dealer
(while cutting FFR up and down) told me... if there is at least a 10
inch section of the chassis from a particular car in the new car,
then it can be titled as that old car. So buy a 65 Ford anything,
weld 10" onto the frame, be sure that you have the title and
run with that. I've not independently verified that this is true,
but it's worth checking out."
[AV] "In Kansas you have to title it as the
year it is assembled. Believe me, the KHP has only a couple of guys
that handle kits in the entire state, and they are well aware of the
supposed "titles unlimited" loophole. The only thing that
you will accomplish by going that route is that you will have sent a
couple of hundred dollars of your money to Alabama! If you try
to do it this way, it can/will be ugly.
You need to go to the treasurer's office,
(where you renew tags & title cars) and ask for a specially
constructed vehicle affidavit. This form will require you to
show where your frame, body, and engine came from. You simply fill
out the form, have your receipts to prove where you got the stuff.
Then you call the KHP to make an appointment to have the car
inspected for an "MV-1"(I think) form, where they will
look at your FFR MSO, your receipts, and the car to issue you a VIN.
(unless your car already has a VIN) The good news is that the KHP
only want 10 bucks or so from you,,,,,the bad news is that the blood
sucking SOBs at the treasurers office will want more! They will want
you to "add up" your receipts of what it "cost"
to build your car so they can tax your a$$ off.
This is why you only want the price of the kit on one receipt. All
of your "options" are nobodies business but yours. You
want the "cost" of your build to be "low" so
your "tax value" will be lower.
Luckily there is no tree hugging sissy a$$
smog BS to deal with! Oh, can you tell I just loooooove to pay
taxes!!!! I bet each one of us buys at least one or two FFR kits a
year with what we pay good 'ol uncle sam."
[EE] "It depends on "where" in
Florida you live.
Most counties do not have emissions testing. In fact, Hillsborough
just eliminated its testing in July af last year. I think there may
still be testing in West Palm Beach county and possibly Dade county
Other than that, there are VERY few counties with the emission
If you do NOT already have a title for your
car, I suggest trying to title the vehicle as a 65.
I have a copy of the Florida Statute that
covers titling procedures for replica vehicles.
[DG] "Palm Beach county also eliminated
emissions testing last year. However, that does not mean you don't
have emissions requirements. Emissions rules still apply.
I titled FFR1997K as a 1965 last year and I will never have to worry
about the emissions testing."
The last time I research this subject with the
state, (2 years ago)the car had to meet the requirements that were
in effect the year the engine was built. That is to say if the
engine came out of a 1990 GT it had to meet 1990 emissions
standards. How is this monitored you ask? From what I can tell it is
not. When you register your car following completion of the build
you may have to prove what year of engine you installed. But to my
knowledge with the elimination of emissions testing, that is as far
as it goes."
[sb] "We seem to hear a lot of mumbo
jumbo about registering Roadsters, but in Ohio it's a breeze. Call the
Highway Patrol and have them mail or fax a form for
salvage/self-assembled vehicle inspection. Fill it out and mail it
in with $50. A couple weeks later you'll receive a form with a phone
number on it to call and set up an appt for inspection. You'll need
that form, your certificate of origin from FFR, and receipts for the
drivetrain/donor vehicle. You can tow or drive your car on the day
of inspection without any tags on the car. They will do an
inspection of the car which solely consists of checking the engine
and tranny serial #'s to see if they're stolen or not. A couple
weeks later they'll call/mail you to set another appt to affix the
vin tag to the frame of your car. (another trip to the inspection
station is mandatory) That's all there is to it! Two road trips/50
bucks. Couldn't be any cheaper or simpler, and no worries about the
state coming back to haunt you because you used "creative
[jg] "Finally registered. OK so its easy
in OH to get the paperwork approved and the car titled. How about
the difficult task of passing emission testing requirements like we
need to do in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, etc. Is it
possible to build a potatoe or does everything need to be EFI
complete with Catalytic Converters. Double Venom told me its
possible to register the car as a Collector Vehicle and then it
possibly is exempt from pollution requirements. I think with a
Collector Vehicle in OH you're limited to driving <3k miles per
year. DV told me that technically the Roadster must be registered as a
2001 Composite Vehicle. I'm nor sure what that means in terms of
keeping it legal. At the same time, I'm not crazy about having some
16 year old high school dropout at the emission testing place
running my potential beast wide open on the rollers. How about some
ideas and what other OH FFR owners have done."
[jh] "Depending on where you have your
car inspected will depend on how the inspection will go. It is set
up to work like Chris said but some places feel they have more power
to do what they want. Some places tell you that wipers, back up
lamps, ect. are a must. The state inspection is looking for stolen
parts and nothing more. If you used a donor and have the title in
your name things go easier.
It is my understanding that if you use a older motor you won't have
to have it e-checked. I'm not in a part of the state that has to do
this but I was told to use a 1960's or early 1970's block and then
you don't have to worry about e-check."
[DV] "Pure and simple. Can you register
the car as a '65, '66? NO! Not legally. Can you get around the
"year" thing in Ohio? Yes...until they catch you, which
they will most likely do at inspection.
Can they check for anything other than serial
numbers during your first inspection?
Absolutely! Are back up lights, washer, wipers, etc. needed? The
answer is gray. Basically if the original car did not have back up
lights, etc., then you do not have to have them. However, being titled
as a 2000, 2001, the inspecting Officer can demand they be in place.
As with anything else, and especially in dealing with the State,
each inspection office has it owns guidelines.
Another note: If you have a professional VIN
plate made up before inspection, listing your VIN number that meets
new guide lines, this plate is permanently attached to the car,
(preferably on the firewall with rivets)
then you will NOT have to wait the two weeks it takes for the State
to make you one, and two trips to the inspection station are NOT
Ohio is very easy fellas. Just follow the
rules without bending and your car will fly through.
One more thing, technically, you can trailer
the car to the inspection, but by law you have to drive it into the
garage. What they want is a completed car, ready to be put on the
road. The paper that you receive from the State for your inspection,
allows you to drive the car to and from the inspection without tags.
Did I miss anything? Ps. ya I did,
"Collector tags" have no mileage restrictions! Historical
tags do but not Collector tags. If you have anymore questions feel
free to call me at the shop- 740-852-5280 and I will go into full
[CL] "The State Patrol assigns the model
year as the date of manufacture of the kit. The car won't have to be
emissions tested for 5 years. I had my FFR with no emissions
equipment but cats tested and it passed easily. When you take the SP
paper work to the DOL they might screw up and give you a '65 title.
Just don't go to the office on Sprague because they seem to know
what they are doing."
[PP] "I asked a state patrol inspector
for our area on Tuesday about registering a "kit" car. He
said in our area we don't have to go through the sniffer so it
wouldn't be a problem. I asked him about antique plates and his
reply was that if you could find 65 plates with the date stamped
into them. You could probably get them registered and only have to
pay licensing once under the antique auto law but he wasn't sure."
[Neal] "The law is clear that the
registered date can be no older than the date of the kit purchase.
The DMV dictates this, not the state patrol. Some DMV offices have a
hard time with interpretation of the law and I know of at least one
FFR that has a '65 reg date. FFR cert of origin has describes the
car as a '65. Find the right office and you may be lucky. Mine is a
'99. You will need to have your pipes probed after five years
though. A referee will look at the car at that time and most likely
give you an exemption. The state patrol inspection is necessary.
They look at parts receipts and a SN on your car. Be sure you can
find the FFR SN on the frame otherwise they will assign a VIN."
[ss] "got the straight scoop from mass dmv
1/car will have to go thru an initial
inspection by mass dmv.
2/must have all docs including donor car title.
3/if what was on the car in 1965 is on your ff5, in other words as
ff5 provides you with, that will work just fine.
4/quote: from mass dmv head inspector, you will only have to pass a
safety inspection each year, not emissions!!!!!!!!!!!!
4a/car will be registered and titled in the year it was inspected by
mass dmv, not the engine year!!!!!example 2001 ford 1965 Roadster
5/evidently, they have come up with a new classification for these
cars and they were very kind to us, I'm sure you will all agree.
6/from what my take on them was, they are not out to get us, just to
make sure that the car's are in fact road worthy, and that the car's
were not built using stolen parts.
7/i was advised by several people that i should go the way that I
did with tu, totally a wasted stupid step!!!!!!!!!
8/in conclusion, the devil you know is better than the one you
9/peace at last, peace at last!!!!!!!!"
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